Private sales are private sales. Has nothing to do with gun shows, that shit is just ignorance from anti-2a groups/people. The pro2a people have been asking for access to the NICS for years. Even if we had to pay $10 for a BG check to come back as clear or not, but they don’t want that because it takes away from their wedge issue.
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NABDad@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No. That wouldn’t happen in a gun store.
You’d have to go to a gun show.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 months ago
jaxxed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
even as a foreigner, it is clear to me that gun-wary Americans tend not to be anti-2a, but want background checks and gun limits. Maybe politicians fit your narrative, especially Democrats, but if you are talking about citizens you are likely straw-manning.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The point is that private sellers have been asking to access NICS (the background check system) but politicians, who are in charge of giving that access through laws, have not allowed it. It is not “strawmanning” to be talking about the people with the actual ability to provide the access.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
but they don’t want that because it takes away from their wedge issue.
Who is “they” in this case?
stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Republicans and Democrats. They both require wedge issues to keep us divided and easily steered.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Both sides, someone still insists, as one side may start street raids that send people to Gitmo.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yep. Republicans don’t give a fuck about gun rights, they just use it as a wedge issue. The same for the dems on abortion, they could have solidified roe into law a good number of times now, but they didn’t because it’s a wedge issue that got votes. Even RBG said the roe was a weak verdict to be holding up abortion rights.
IMongoose@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s required in Illinois to use a private seller portal for private sales through the state police site. It does some kind of check and it’s free to use.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s awesome, does it do the national database? That’s one of the downfalls I’ve read about. Local BGCs end up being just local, so someone can just hop the state line and then it’s pointless. Every gun owner I’ve ever talked to has wanted access to the NICS, we want to know who we’re selling to. Most of the people I talk with won’t sell unless the person buying has a CCW.
IMongoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m not exactly sure if it does NICS specifically. The portal really just checks to see if they have a valid FOID (firearm owner ID, an Illinois special) card, but the foid card is linked to other data bases. I’m not super familiar with all the specifics. Relevant links:
iowagneiss@midwest.social 2 months ago
Except Comic Con is rare, and they don’t have to take down their “gun show this weekend!” signs here in Iowa because that’s every weekend, or so it seems.
Agreed though. I was actually worried about what maga might do if Harris won, so I made my first purchases before the election. I had to provide ID, enter some personal identifiers into a website and be approved by a federal agency. It took an extra 30 minutes or so.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I live next to fairgrounds. Every Saturday: Gun and Knife Show.
But I also remember working at a marina and where I saw far more transactions take place between two parked vehicles than anything that requires paperwork.
Eheran@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What would not be like that? Nidal Hasan did it pretty much like that prior to his 2009 Fort Hood shooting?
taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
a gun show is like comic con, only for guns.
So people dress up as sexy guns?
NABDad@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They cosplay as tough guys.
Metz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean Terminator 1 takes place in 1984. As far a quick search goes, there were no background checks, no assault weapon ban, no national mandate for a waiting period, …etc
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think you could still buy machine guns. No phased plasma rifles though.
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hey pal, only what you see here.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 2 months ago
What, not even one in the 40-watt range?
allcretansareliars@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It’s really difficult to buy them even now.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The process is quite simple. It’s just the prices…
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean you can still buy them with a tax stamp if they’re made before '86, but you’re going to pay a lot and it’ll take some time to transfer. I think at the time that you could just walk into a gun store and buy a new Uzi.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Background checks started in '68, they didn’t become instant until like '93 because internet but they still existed, I think it was by phone back then. The rest of that isn’t around now either except for some states, the national AWB expired 21yr ago, and there’s never been national waiting periods.
Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
They may have existed and some states imposed them but they weren’t required federally until the Brady bill in 93 .
There was a 5 day waiting period between when the Brady bill was first enacted in 93 and when the national instant criminal background check system came online in 98
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Huh no shit TIL about that waiting period, thanks! I can’t look it up until later (at work, can fire off a message but not do research y’know) but would you happen to know how long it lasted?
Though the questionnaires in the 60s were largely ineffective and took time, unless I am mistaken they were reviewed or stored by the FBI until the ATF started existing in the early 70s, but yes “NICs” wasn’t until “I” was possible as I mentioned.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The NFA existed.