Submitted 11 months ago by neme@lemm.ee to moviesandtv@lemm.ee
https://variety.com/2024/film/global/kevin-hart-oscars-hosting-1235869886/
Having seen Kevin Hart live, I’m not surprised.
It was incredibly depressing that his openers (his “Solo cup boys”) made homophobic jokes. One in particular was about how the comedian would be disappointed if his son was gay because he couldn’t take him to the strip club with him.
Sorry that people aren’t receptive to shitty, bigoted jokes any more Kevin. Maybe you and Dave Chappelle can get together and make jokes about trans/gay people to empty audiences.
One in particular was about how the comedian would be disappointed if his son was gay because he couldn’t take him to the strip club with him.
The premise could have worked if he switched it around and said that he was going to have to go to gay strip club or Chippendale's or something instead of being a complaint about not being able to go to his usual clubs. That would have made it supportive and accepting of his son while also highlighting his personal hangups.
The idea of going to a strip club is repulsive to me, going with my dad is even worse… Wtf kind of joke is that even
Yep, I was equally disappointed with the execution.
If your humor is based on punching down then fuck off, life is shitty enough as it is for most people without having a multi millionaire laughing at them.
Punching down can be funny.
One in particular was about how the comedian would be disappointed if his son was gay because he couldn’t take him to the strip club with him.
oh the tragedy
Uh ya might want to look up the term ‘hollywood elite’, what it refers to, then pick another phrase. ‘Overpaid egoists perpetually high on their own farts’ is a good one
Imagine if these guys were white….
I don’t have to imagine being white
You don’t need to imagine, Ricky Gervais exists.
Oh too bad their shows always sell out arenas. Perform to empty crowds? You people live in your heads.
Then what are they fucking complaining about??? They aren’t canceled then?
If the slightest push back from people who aren’t even their fans upsets them so badly then I’m sorry, we might just be dealing with soft little snowflakes. It’s a little criticism, get over it Mr. Rich guy.
Then you can stop riding their jock…
Kevin Hart aside (I’ll let others talk about what they like or dislike about him) -
I don’t know how anyone thinks that the hollywood “elite” are comedy friendly. I don’t know any celebrities right now that can take a joke about themselves. Either lighthearted or a good ribbing, I just see every one of them being upset and pouty. Sure they’ll laugh at others, but to each one of them they’re untouchable when it comes to jokes.
Personally I liked the humor, for me it humanizes them and it’s like “Okay let’s ground this thing in some reality before we make you feel like you’re the most important people on the planet”, but of course god forbid they remember they’re just like us.
they should get frankie boyle to do it, and he’d just slag them off for 30 minutes straight
It’s always terrible comedians like Kevin Hart who complain about “PC Culture” or “being woke”. And it’s because they are terrible at comedy. They can no longer fall back on just saying something racist or sexist or transphobic “as a joke” instead of actually working on material.
There are a ton of great comics out there, but these guys? No, these guys’ time has long since passed.
Every now n’ then I unhide a comment that was hidden by my Hexbear instance block and am instantly reminded why I have a Hexbear instance block.
Wait, you’re bothered by someone saying Kevin Hart is a shitty comedian? Have I read this right? I hate to say it, but if that’s enough for you to be mad at the ebil hexbears, you should really probably just keep us blocked
show us your dick
HAHAH… You just volunteered to be a mole in the “Whack-A-Mole” game you silly goose!
You should either stop doing that or get better takes then lol.
Thank you for baiting more of them chuds so we can block em.
Name a good one
Anthony Jeselnik would be hilarious as a host of any awards show
Eh, barely anyone watches these award shows anyway. It’s wealthy narcissism voting for other wealthy narcissists.
The only funny thing I’ve ever seen performed at an awards show was done by will smith
Do you mean committing assault? Or not taking a joke?
He took a lame ass joke and made it funny, wdym?
Its battery, not assault sweaty.
the less I hear about or see kevin hart, the better. Feel free to remove yourself from more media, kevin.
Why’s that?
Looking around it looks like he made some homophobic jokes in the past.
Same. He’s become the token “loud and safe black guy” in random white people movies.
I don’t get it, he should be a perfect host then right?
My only rebuttal to this, is the whitehouse correspondance dinner. That’s the whole point of comedy.
Jeselnik said something to this point when he mentioned the Boston marathon bombing. What’s funny about the bombing, nothing. But that’s why there comedians who can find humor in the darkest of places.
Pretty sure Seth Myers caused Trump to run for President tho. Or maybe it was his opening act
I would say Jon Stewart was more influential for Trump running for president. Stewart had him on the Daily Show multiple times trying to lampoon Trump for being a birth certificate denyer towards Obama. Steward continually egged him on, well if you can do better why don’t you run for president?
Jesus, every comedian whines about how they can’t make offensive jokes anymore. Just recently watched a comedy special from 2008 where they spend the first 15 minutes doing exactly that while making offensive jokes and getting lots of laughs.
…it’s not 2008? We’re more than a decade past that? Does “anymore” have a different meaning you?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. People are too easily offended nowadays.
How arrogant do you have to be that you feel that everyone has to only do / say things that don’t offend you?
Dark comedy still exists, but the lazy comedy stylings of my 50 yo homophobe, racist uncle seems to be out of fashion. These old guard stand up comics aren't funny anymore and no one is obligated to buy tickets to their shows.
“The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forego one’s own.” -The Satanic Temple’s Fourth Tenet
However. I also believe the right to be offended is one of the freedoms we all have. There’s a lot of discussion over what this tenet truly means. I believe it should work hand-in-hand with the other tenets, which include “one’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone,” “one should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason,” and “every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.”
I take it to mean that yes, you do have the right to offend, but also to be offended when someone violated your own personal freedoms. To say something that challenges someone’s understanding of the world may offend them, but that doesn’t mean its wrong. However, the use of the freedom to offend should be used sparingly, and with caution.
But if we start telling people they’re not allowed to say things that are offensive to us, then that same logic can turn back on us later when we say something offensive to them. Pretty soon, nobody will be allowed to say anything. People should be free to express their opinions, so long as they abide by the rest of the tenets, in my opinion.
But, that doesn’t mean we need to give people who are out to offend others bigger platforms to spread their messages. We don’t even have to listen to them.
I’m reminded of the famous Voltaire quote, “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
This is a complex topic, and I’m worried I’m not making my message clear enough here. Let me try to boil it down to a more direct response.
I do not agree that people are “too easily offended nowadays,” but I do agree that people have the right to say things that might offend. I think people have the right to be offended about whatever they want. But they do not have the right to impose their own beliefs on others. If you want to say something offensive that I don’t agree with, knock yourself out. But if you want to try prohibit me from saying something offensive to you, you can fuck right off.
It’s a fine line. Yes, you have the right to offend others, but not the right to control them.
Does anything offend you?
Yup, but then I just don’t consume that stuff
What you’re seeing is that people no longer feel the need to keep their mouth shut when they don’t like the joke. In previous generations, they had no platform and, in some cases, their physical safety was at risk. Social media has given them a voice and community where they can share their opinion.
At the same time, corporations only give a shit about profits, not art. They’ll chase whatever makes them more money. If they don’t think that people will watch something, they won’t fund it.
Combine those and you have folks willing and able to tell corporations they won’t buy something they don’t like. But, of course, that can be outweighed by actual purchases. Netflix keeps shoveling money at Chappelle; people must be keeping their subscriptions to watch him. Substack recently announced they’ll host and monetize Nazi newsletters. J.K. Rowling continues to be Andrew Tate for women and pulls huge residual checks.
So if you want more offensive things in the world, seek it out and pay for it. Corporations will churn it out if there is demand. Just don’t expect people to only judge you quietly; they have tools to be loud now.
I know, right? You never see anything like this in the mainstream any more:
No loss here. Take your jokes and go home. Soooooooo many others who would love the chance.
Did you think they meant themselves?
I’m not really understanding the article. Does it mention he was asked to host this year and declined? It almost seems like he’s putting it out there because
A. He’s trying to build controversy so that he’s asked and can either publicly decline or “relunctantly” accept and say that he only did it under the condition that he could say whatever he wanted.
Or B. He asked and they turned him down so he’s saying he never wanted to anyway.
It all sounds fake. He has all the connections he needs to be able to host.
Yes.
Billy Crystal hosted a bunch of times in the 90's and was well received because his humor wasn't edgy, just light and fun.
Yeah, I don’t understand why every award show needs to be a roast now.
Billy Crystal did it for a long time, he counts as a comedian
I’m not sure why anyone watches the Oscars, or cares about them, unless you’re somehow involved.
So, whether or not he hosts them… Whatever.
Get Will smith to co host with Chris Rock, and thats the only time I might consider it.
Ricky Gervais. Period.
Ricky Gervais hosting the Golden Globes was pretty fun. Current day Ricky Gervais has been missing a lot lately with his comedy.
It’s Nick Mullen’s time to shine
I have no jokes and I must slur… no-mouth-must-scream
Let me know when Hart starts doing comedy.
ok, and?
Why? Since they are such a joke..
the_q@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I hate this relatively new idea that comedy has to be mean. If you have to rile the audience to be funny, you’re not funny.
Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you’re the kind of person that thinks no comedy can be mean, you’re helping to destroy comedy
Just my opinion. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. Don’t hate those that understand centuries upon centuries of schadenfreude is what made us a funny species
the_q@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.
Psychodelic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
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I just saw this posted on lemmy a while back. It’s so good. lol
the_blast_of_us@lemm.ee 11 months ago
For anyone who likes this, his entire show is brilliant and you can buy it for a fairly reasonable price directly from his homepage:
www.jamesacaster.com/cold-lasagne/
Honestly one of if not the best Stand-Up routine I’ve seen in the past ten years
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Mean comedy and riling people up can be funny.
the_q@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sure off you the listener is also mean spirited.
GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
You think that’s new?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 months ago
These people aren’t riling up the audience. They’re riling up people the audience doesn’t like.
Also, I’m ok with comedy being “mean”, so long as the target deserves it and it’s delivered in a witty way. Too many “edgy” comedians are just recycling the same joke, which runs counter to the idea that comedy is the Subversion of Expectations.