There’s plenty of grey between those. Also, presumably less oppressing, rape, and inbreeding (more to some old order groups)
They were right all along...
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farmgineer@nord.pub 8 hours ago
Tiral@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
They also treat their animals like absolute shit, like they should be taken away bad.
FollyDolly@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Came here to say this. Horrible animal abuse. What they do their work horses is inhumane.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 hours ago
I’m glad you brought up the rape! I’m talking dolphin-levels of rape! And if you talk to the cops about it, you’re out of the community!
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
It kinda depends on the individual communities. My dad’s side of the family is from nw ohio where there are quite a few Amish communities. They each seem to function almost like little independent nations with their own rules, cultures, and hierarchical structures.
The small community that is closer to my family farm is really nice. Our family has a long history with them often trading skills, resources, and labour. Whenever they need someone to operate a piece of modern equipment or to provide modern tools to a job site they would call my family. We would call them whenever we needed extra hands to build a new barn barn, or to re shingle a roof.
In my experience the larger and more strict the community was the more fucked up they were. The community next to us wasn’t very strict, lots of loop holes to make life easier. Most of them banned anything modern in the household, but would have a barn with electricity for refrigerators and other modern amenities.
The real strict communities were always filled with miserable people, it always felt kinda what I imagine visiting a 19th century cult would be like. The elders run everything with an iron fist, and children and women were basically treated worse than working animals. Forced to work at weird little businesses to sell furniture, blankets, and baked goods to tourist.
merc@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
They most definitely did not get it right.
Having said that, there is some value to being thoughtful about the adoption of new technology. Especially when it comes to kids, some parents are too quick to allow their kids to use smartphones, tablets, chatGPT, etc. without much supervision.
But, the prospect of having to forego virtually all modern technology or become exiled from the only family and community you’ve ever known is crazy. It’s really only cults that require that you shun people who have left the “faith”.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
But, the prospect of having to forego virtually all modern technology or become exiled from the only family and community you’ve ever known is crazy.
Sounds like being forced to use meta products to keep in touch with family who don’t want to learn how to use anything else.
merc@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
They don’t know how to use the phone? They don’t know how to use regular postal mail?
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 9 hours ago
Most Amish and meonnoites (less so) look and speak like they are miserable. Like physically they’ll be broken down, have bad acme and skin blemishes, and look like they are 40 at 20.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 hours ago
Lots of drug use, which is a-okay by the Lord!
AccoSpoot1@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Fuck the Amish
Tja@programming.dev 5 hours ago
That’s what Amish do…
sbv@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
This, in fact, is how new Amish are made.
Tja@programming.dev 5 hours ago
Can’t wait to post on the grid about it!
jambudz@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
New Luddites? Also since when did the Amish become a hate group? I’m not saying they’re not, but it feels like the past 3 days there’s been a lot about it.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I don’t think they’re a hate group other than typical cult behavior where others are labeled a danger to the group, serious problems are hidden from outside view, and people can be prevented from leaving and psychologically conditioned to not leave.
Blibly@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yeah? Go live authentically with them for a while and report back lol
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
I feel like people are unaware there are intentional communities doing the same but without the religious basis.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Yeah, there are communes you can join. Even in America
Formfiller@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
My silent generation grandma was like this she ran a farm with chickens, turkeys, cows, a giant vegetable garden, a couple fishing ponds and drilled into my head that self sufficiency was super important. My parents Suburban life contradicted that message of course. I think about that a lot now
bloogoose@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Fuck the Amish. Return to monkey.
dragnucs@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
You got it wrong about Amish. They are not living off grid. They are living normally. We are living on-grid. Or trapped said otherwise.
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 7 hours ago
You can live from unabomber to perpetually online as you want. I’d love to live in a half hectare with a garden, trees, internet, solar panels, and 45 minute drive to a large town. Read books, WFH, etc. Its what you choose. Unfortunately, it’s money holding me back. Maybe in 20 years
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 hours ago
Depends on the community. Medicine and not dying from a cut and no religiouse fundamentalism is quite nice
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 hour ago
So is an AC unit.
edwardbear@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
nah. not in the current version of ac. look how was this solved in the past. capitalism made everything worse. the need for ac creates more need of ac.
Mikina@programming.dev 9 hours ago
The only exposure I have with how Amish work is from Newport’s Digital Mininalism book, and it sounded pretty reasonable. (Don’t know how correct it is, though)
The way he put it, they don’t outright ban and refuse all technology. Every time a new tech comes out, they have a few people give it a try and then decide as a community if/how to best use it without sacrificing their core values.
For example - a telephone? We don’t want that, because then it would break the sense of community if you could just call anyone, without having to call on them/meet then for dinner, etc. But, we’ll have one phone in a village in casr we need to call for outside help in an emergency.
Assuming that’s true, I would suspect that especially in regards to medicine, they would be pretty open. But yeah, I guess it absolutely depends on the community, and how cultish/reasonable are the people making these calls.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
What they allow is entirely the whim of the local Bishop. Some are super conservative. Others not so. I’ve seen Amish people on e-bikes, while others don’t allow rubber tires on their buggies. Then whenever a new Bishop rotates in, a new toss-up in the rules. One common theme is that they hoard shit tons of money.
somehacker@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
They aren’t open to medicine. Also most adult men have cell phones and hide them.
Every Individual in their community I’ve met has been super nice, but it’s still a cult and they still do fucked up shit.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I sold electrical equipment to some Amish once, which felt real weird.
ByteJunk@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
In what way? I assume they must have been familiar with how it worked, or was it like performing a magic trick?