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• Yaky@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Because a lot of current “AI” is a solution in search of a problem, being shoved into every product and hyped up as the next revolution, at a great expense. Even without the obvious environmental and financial impact, it is a huge nuisance. So people are upset and annoyed by it.

  You could ask the same about pop-up ads, invasive apps, spammers, scammers, mandated age verification, Amazon’s treatmeant of employees, and so on. No one would defend bad choices made by powerful people.

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• slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Technical people have been through many hype cycles. Cloud, machine leaning, big data, blockchain, and now ‘AI’. We are just tired of marketing people lying and overhyping technology.

  The cloud did not save us money, it costs more to run in Azure, AWS, GCP.
  Big Data was social media companies trying to justify sucking up every scrap of data they can.
  Machine learning was trying to make algorithms appear smarter at spotting trends and being more reactive.
  Blockchain has turned into a massive scam platform with crypto currency and nfts. Any regular database with an Audit table will outperform them. ‘AI’ is shaping up to be a justification for lot of job losses for little to no gain as shown by articles from Gardner and The Register

  Coding tools by ‘AI’ companies are reintroducing flaws that we have solved because they are trained on Stack Overflow questions not answers.
  Creative ‘AI’ tools do a bad job at producing acceptable output without hyper specific instructions to not have an extra arm or finger.
  AI crawlers are slamming every webpage online in the hopes to update models with the latest data even though the data is unchanging.

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  • deegeese@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Hype cycles come and go, but cloud compute is still around because it has real advantages, and big data solves real scaling problems.

    You left out the biggest hype cycle. The dot-com boom wasted a ton of cash but also created Google Amazon and Netflix.

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    • lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      it has real advantages for some scenarios. finding those scenarios (and by extension, everything it’s not good for) is usually what makes tech bubbles burst.

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    • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The dot-com boom

      In fairness I was in school for those so I have no experience in them. While I was in the workforce for the others.

      I am curious what advantages the cloud offers that a colo in a DC with proper planning can’t.

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• GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Personally I’m so anti Ai because there’s so much pro talk. Imagine if anything wrong in your life, some insufferable, rich, out of touch jackass said “have you tried hitting it with a hammer? Here, try this hammer. It’s great. Hammers will solve every problem in your life!”

  Hammers are fine. They have a purpose. I use them when I need them. I don’t need EVERY HAMMER MAKER TO PROSYLTIZE HAMMERS AT ME. They don’t actually want to make my life better. They just want me to use THEIR hammer so they can make more money. It’s not about solving a problem. It’s just the latest product in a greedy aristocratic society.

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  • soratoyuki@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    AI IS GREAT EVERYONE USES IT TRUST ME BRO IT’S SO GREAT JUST GIVE IT A TRY BRO TRUST ME BRO JUST ONE TOKEN BRO ONE SQUARE KILOMETER OF RAINFOREST IS ALL IT TAKES AND ALL THE BIG TITTY MICKEY MOUSE JPGS CAN BE YOURS PLEASE JUST USE AI the chatbot is holding my family hostage please.

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    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Dammit. You won me over with big titty Mickey Mouse.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Personally I’m so anti Ai because there’s so much pro talk.

    That’s not a great reason. That’s just an emotional reaction.

    A good reason to be against AI is that it’s optimistic promise is that it’ll put lots of people out of work, and cause those left to think less. That’s the positive scenario. They only get worse from there.

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    • GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s not just emotional. It’s historical. Everyone in my life whose tried to shove a product down my throat like this has been some sort of garbage personality. People who actually want to help will let you refuse them. People who want to leech money from you won’t take no for an answer. In my life,it’s always been a scam.

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• soratoyuki@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Is this a serious question?

  People don’t like that generative AI is based on stolen content. People don’t like that it’s being forced into everything. People don’t like that it isn’t even good at most of the things it tries to do. People definitely hate it’s attempts at ‘music’ and ‘art.’ People don’t like it’s immense energy costs. People don’t like that it might render them, and everyone else, unemployed. People don’t like that they’re owned by oligarchs.

  Oligarchs invested trillions in the hope of firing ys all and no longer paying us wages. You need to get some class consciousness.

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  • lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This is what frustrates me, the lack of any nuance whatsoever. I run local models, and am passionately against oligarchy. I don’t support them in the least.

    My inner child still can’t get over how freakin cool AI actually is, at the technical level. And all anyone hears when I say how amazing the actual tech is, they tune me out and talk about whatever it is they’re trying to talk about.

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    • dandi8@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      And who made your local models?

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    • Footer1998@crazypeople.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      this is just the internet these days, people just go out in search of people to yell at so they can feel something

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  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    People don’t like that generative AI is based on stolen content.

    Long before AI, people on the Internet were fairly likely to dislike copyright and correctly insist that copying is not theft.

    How the times have changed.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Stealing from rich person = good Stealing from poor person= bad

      Robin hood has been a thing for centuries

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    • sylveon@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I dislike copyright when it protects corporations.

      I think copyright is good when it prevents individuals from getting exploited by corporations.

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    • Tree@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      i still do that,thats why idc that ai uses “stolen” content. bec i too pirate,if i can pirate then they can do it too.

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• dhork@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  surely they wouldnt have invested trillons on it if it was garbage

  Oh, my sweet summer child.

  “They” didn’t invest trillions of their own money in it. They invested a few million, built up some hype, and got other people to invest more, so now their millions are billions. And they are smart enough to sell before it all collapses.

  They make their billions even though it’s garbage. Heck, they make billions because they know it’s garbage before everyone else does.

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• disregardable@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Because the reasons to oppose AI are complicated and hard to understand, so they need to be explained. The only reason to like AI is if you just look at it and assume it works. Explaining why it isn’t answering your question accurately, why it isn’t “thinking”, why it doesn’t understand your prompt, why it’s a waste of resources- these are all complicated arguments that require explanation.

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• Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  surely they wouldnt have invested trillons on it if it was garbage

  Do you realize how much money they invested in the slave trade?

  Or the Opium trade?

  Or Epstein’s Island?

  Just because it CAN make money, doesn’t mean it should.

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• uuj8za@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  bender

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• actionjbone@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Easy answer: because so many people are anti-AI, and so few are pro-AI.

  It’s like the old joke:

  You know how, when geese fly in a V shape, sometimes one side of the V is longer than the other?

  You know went that is?

  ::: There’s more geese on that side :::

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• schwim@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I think a lot of it is the neverending push to put it everywhere by the billionaires that are counting on it to make them the first quadrillionaire. AI-first browsers, AI search, AI assistants, AI support, AI therapy, AI cameras, AI birdfeeders, AI healthcare, AI price manipulation at the grocery store, you can’t buy memory because AI, false arrests because of faulty AI facial recognition, etc. Then add in the surveillance factor where we are being turned into a fascist police state.

  The pushback is because they aren’t even trying to hide the fact that they are turning everything they touch into shit, releasing stuff that’s clearly not ready for the real world in an effort to stay ahead of everyone one else in the contract race.

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• VeryVito@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  surely they wouldnt have invested trillons on it if it was garbage

  3D Televisions; Facebook Metaverse; Trump Inaugurations; NFTs; the original Segway; Pets.com; Theranos; Beanie Babies; Fyre Featival; Enron…

  All epic failures that made a few already filthy rich people a little more money before destroying the lives of many others.

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• mrmaplebar@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  a lot of people i know irl including me like ai,

  Yeah, no offense but you certainly write like someone who likes AI. I'll give you that.

  however when i use reddit or youtube or whatever i see a dozen ai bad content. why is that?

  Because AI sucks, both in terms of the quality of what is produced as well as the effort by which people use it to produce "content".

  It's primary real use is for fraudulence and con artistry. Furthermore, it's a direct affront to humanity and culture. It is the for-profit technological strip mining of all of human knowledge, art and creativity for the benefit of the ultra wealthy investor class, in spite of the rules regarding intellectual property that they themselves created. It's also intellectually lazy, often wrong, and making us all stupider. Finally, it is an exploitative technology that is being used to replace and subvert human workers.

  In other words, generative AI is practically indefensible. There's almost nothing good to say about it, so what do you expect people to say?

  surely they wouldnt have invested trillons on it if it was garbage

  Are you familiar with the concept of an investment bubble?

  The basic idea is that investors at large end up putting waaaaay too much money into a speculative asset, to the point where its market value greatly exceeds its practical/intrinsic value to the economy itself. We've seen this happen countless times in modern human history, from real estate bubbles, to the ".com bubble", to Dutch tulips.

  In capitalism, value is subjective. You might value something a lot more than I do, or vice versa. But it's also possible for things to be generally overvalued or undervalued by society as a whole.

  Regardless how any of us feel about AI (for or against), it is objectively overvalued by investors. Anthropic was recently valued at nearly a $1,000,000,000,000, roughly the same market value as massive giants like Samsung or Walmart, despite being a company that has only ever lost money.

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• lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  actually, i’m gonna make a second comment from a more personal perspective because my main gripe with it (you know, other than the blatant abuse of the copyright system, the cult-like atmosphere of the companies pushing it, and the rush to build datacenters on cheap land which uses up local resources in the process) is that it has shown that i was much more alone in my previous jobs than i thought.

  i work with tech people, and i like them have my own home server with a bunch of stuff on it. i like to tinker with it, write little scripts that do useful and fun things, build things just to explore programming languages, etc. the people around me didn’t really understand, they were all in on smart homes and stylish dashboards, and i’ve never been about that but at least they’re solving problems so i’m interested in how they do things. then i got laid off.

  when you don’t have a job, time moves at a different pace. you can absorb news on more of a macro scale. and reading tech news left me so confused. all these people around me were letting the language models spit out crap code. they gave up on what i thought was the most interesting part of the job, actually solving the problem in elegant and efficient ways, and instead are just dictating. people are using ai to read emails that someone else used ai to write, they’re burning thousands of kWh to iterate through a hundred different broken implementations of the same thing rather than thinking about the problem.

  as i said in another thread, it’s like being in the cycling club because you love cycling, having to leave because of an injury, and when you get back everyone has switched to cars because they’re faster.

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  • Rhaedas@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Agreed. The short is that AI was done wrong in so many ways, for the wrong reasons, and was the wrong direction for the goal they continue to state. The science and technology and what it can do, even the worst of it, is fascinating, but this is not what it should have been. Money corrupted yet another thing.

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  • FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    reading tech news left me so confused. all these people around me were letting the language models spit out crap code. they gave up on what i thought was the most interesting part of the job

    I think I see the source of your confusion: you're assuming that everybody has the same attitude towards things that you do.

    I find that LLMs remove all the most boring parts of the job.

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    • lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      which is?

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• muzzle@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’m not sure which corner of the internet you roam, I hear both voices very vocally in favour of and against AI.

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• PlzGibHugs@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Most people aren’t super involved with AI, and basically use it passively. In the same vien, up until fairly recently, social media was generally seen as a good thing because people enjoyed it and it wasn’t common knowledge (not that evidence didn’t exist) all the negative impacts it had. That not to say social media, or generative AI shouldn’t exist, but the topic is more complex, and most people don’t engage with that complexity.

  surely they wouldnt have invested trillons on it if it was garbage

  Investors throw money at stupid stuff all the time. Tech in particular tends to be volitile and speculative. I mean, right before AI, it was NFTs, and before that, “the metaverse”, and befors that blockchain. All of these were said to be gigantic new technologies that would revolutionize every industry and every aspect of life, and each had billions (trillions?) of dollars invested in them. Each of them lasted about a year before their value collapsed and they were realized to be overpriced dead-ends and empty marketing.

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• Witchfire@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  In addition to everything else people have mentioned here, because it got co-opted by fascists and is now being used for mass surveillance and to terrorize minorities

  Also it’s killing the environment

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• lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  because the internet is more representative. among normal people the pro-ai ratio is like 15-18%, and with the current political situation most of the pro-crowd is on the u.s. right, meaning that they’re waaaaaaay disconnected from normal people.

  those of us old enough to remember the dot-com boom are seeing a very familiar pattern.

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  • FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Actually, the US is an extreme example in the negative direction when it comes to global attitudes toward AI. Most countries are much more excited about AI than the US is.

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    • lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      that is not what i would call “extreme”.

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• Denixen@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Loud minority. This is the case for a lot of things. Pro AI people don’t go around posting content. They are busy living their lives.

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  • starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Pro AI people are either ignorant or nasty.

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    • lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What does nuance mean?

      Actually never mind they’re ugly stinky weirdos. Not like you

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    • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      being normal today I see

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• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Is it…? I feel like people have a very anti-AI sentiment that I sometimes struggle to understand.

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• RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  My god, you poor idiot.

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• msokiovt@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That’s because we don’t know how to use AI properly.

  I use CRIT (Context, Role, Interview, Task) and ROSES (Role, Objective, Scenario, Expected Solution, Steps) for prompting, but I also iterate. This is what AI users don’t understand. On top of that, you have to use adversarial collaboration, which entails you use what you know and check it against what the AI says for any mistakes, hallucinations, etc.

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Because generative AI is absolute garbage, and the investors are dumbfucks.

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• FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Depends where you look, "the Internet" isn't one unified place. Social media forms bubbles easily, and social media like Reddit or the Fediverse is practically designed that way - minority voices get downvoted, blocked, banned, and so forth. So unless a forum is taking significant effort specifically to ensure diversity of opinion you're going to end up with things drifting to some sort of extreme.

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• the_abecedarian@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  because AI is primarily being used against workers of all kinds, accelerates climate change, provides cover for nations to use violence, and gives state bureaucracies excuses to screw us over by having supposedly “neutral” AI make decisions

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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  People invest in AI because they think they will make money on it someday. And some of them will, and some have.

  I’ve used AI and I’ve had good and bad results. I do feel like AI is a net negative to humanity. It could be a net positive, but it’s doing so much bad stuff it’s hard to see the good.

  The question is… do you just like AI as a concept? Or maybe you use ChatGPT or something like it? Or are you one of the ones actually paying for it? I think that’s an important distinction. I use it sometimes, but I’ve never paid for AI. I can say I’m anti-AI because I don’t like what it’s done to computer and game console prices. Or that I support artists. I can say I’m not anti-AI because I have ChatGPT on my phone and have used it to make things occasionally. I don’t hate it, I hate what people do with it. I don’t pay for it, but I can see the utility sometimes.

  A good example of how I feel about it is the phone OpenAI is planning on making. I feel like on top of charging you for the phone, and on top of your cell bill, they will charge you to use the phone itself because it’s AI. And I think that’s horseshit. Even if they don’t charge at first, they’ll hook you and ask you to pay later. But they won’t give you a refund if you don’t. You just paid for a paperweight. Because what’s so bad about using an iPhone (or Android) for ChatGPT? Why do they need a whole phone? Because they want locked-in customers.

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• Meat_Of_Nan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I use silly tavern a lot and am trying to learn how to self host. I don’t think the hate really stems from the tool itself. It stems from the people who are doing everything in their power to force everyone else to use the tool for everything including things that it is clearly not intended to be used for, while simultaneously using it for incredibly shitty things like replacing the jobs of everyone and anyone they possibly can, putting entire countries under mass surveillance, and absolutely destroying entire communities and the planet with extremely irresponsibly managed datacenters.

  I think if Ai was not being so heavily abused and mismanaged, it would not be nearly as hated.

  If a man with a hammer was going around town smashing people and their property, you would probably hate the person and not the hammer. Because of the nature of llms, it’s very easy to hate the hammer instead of the person wielding it. Which is great for the assholes at the top because they get to keep destroying the world with Ai while everyone blames the ai.

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• Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It's cheap "labor" that pushes KPIs and looks impressive to investors. It's got the same upsides as slavery (the model most of those bastards want to go back to), without the costs being obvious, or the labor itself being able to rebel - instead, the disenfranchised and the 'little people' are the only ones left to fight, and we don't have enough money or energy to do so. Until there are riots in the streets, the AI-loving klepto-pedo-fascists win.

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• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I like AI, too. However I don’t like it when it’s being shoved in my face, or pinned on top of my WhatsApp chat, or in Notepad, or driving up the prices of computer parts, or scraping data or selling my data, or on the other end of a customer service line, or being relied upon to replace human jobs, or for hiring people, etc.

  AI is nice when it sticks to it’s lane and to help people do people jobs.

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