frightful_hobgoblin
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- Comment on Just... a little...... farther 2 days ago:
what a good little bit of art
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 3 days ago:
The new testament stories were written well over a hundred years after
Not right. These were written 20 to 30 years after: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle (“Fourteen of the 27 books in the New Testament have traditionally been attributed to Paul. Seven of the Pauline epistles are undisputed by scholars as being authentic, with varying degrees of argument about the remainder.”)
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 3 days ago:
What do you think of what Ehrman says here at 1h45m25s that the mythicist theory isn’t taken seriously by the academy because it’s mostly pushed by people who seem eager to dunk on religion: invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=GzjYmpwbHEA&listen=1
- Comment on This is my 666th post. AMA 5 days ago:
I did my 333rd recently, the post of Choronzon.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 6 days ago:
Agreed.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 6 days ago:
The title of this post is asking about “Jesus Christ,” which we all know to mean the son of God and the guy that resurrected after 3 days.
lol no… this thread is not talking about anything like that hahaha. Read it.
Obviously people don’t come back from the dead or transform into cheddar cheese; we don’t need historical research to tell us that.
His given name was יֵשׁוּעַ or Yeshua, which is Jesus in one speech-type, عيسى (ʿIsà) in another, as well as a lot of other variants.
‘Christus’ in Latin seems to refer to the same person; Tacitus wrote “called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus”
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 6 days ago:
Well that’s an entirely different question. Entirely different field.
“the son of God, who was crucified and rose again on the third day” is for silly Christians.
The question under discussion here is about Roman-era history.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 6 days ago:
There’s 0 evidence or recorded documentation that a resurrection ever happened. That’s the big one.
The question in question was “Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?”
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 6 days ago:
They very likely was someone named Jesus, because there were many people with that name.
The second one doesn’t use that name. Read the sources.
There’s 0 evidence or recorded documentation that a resurrection ever happened. That’s the big one.
Well of course, but that’s common sense. Dead people stay dead as a rule.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 6 days ago:
A literature search. The web is full of rubbish.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 6 days ago:
There were a lot of people that shared that name, and a lot of people were crucified at that time.
That implies each source says: “A man called Jesus was crucified”. The article you provided (if you read it) should have told you otherwise.
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Flavius Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, year 93-94: “About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.”
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Tacitus’s Annals, year 117: Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus
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- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
In terms of literary evidence there is exactly 1 historian who is roughly contemporary and mentions Jesus
Misinformation.
There’s Tacitus’s *Annals" (year 117), Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews (93-94), Mara bar Serapion’s letter to his son.
Seutonius (Lives of the Twepves Cæsars) and Pliny wrote about the conflict between the Romans and the followers of Christ (or Chrestus) around that era.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
What are you driving at bringing up the semantics of ‘contemporary’??
The only time that word was used was when you said (incorrectly), “That is contemporary literary evidence of his existence.” – the annals are centuries after the 6th-century reign of Diarmait at Tara. We don’t have any 6th-century manuscripts. The situation in the Roman Empire is quite a bit better, lots of texts.
Would you say that a person called Caius Vipstanus existed because Tacitus mentioned him in his annals a few decades later? Isn’t that valid inference from the text?
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
I get it man
You don’t
you have “faith”
I don’t.
that’s not evidence
The evidence we’re talking about is the textual references in Pliny etc.
Say we have a textual reference like this: “In the year of the consulship of Caius Vipstanus and Caius Fonteius, Nero deferred no more a long meditated crime. Length of power had matured his daring, and his passion for Poppaea daily grew more ardent.”… would you say that a person called Caius Vipstanus existed from that evidence?
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
Right. I think we’re in agreement. There was a historical Diarmait. There was a historical Jesus.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
There was a Paul that lived in Midwest America Is that proof he had a big blue ox?
I do not understand.
Like, we have that elusive physical evidence that 6,000 of Sparticus’ followers were crucified…
Go on then. Show us the evidence.
There’s a pretty good chance at least one of those guys was named Jesus too mate, it was a pretty common name
Not all the texts use that name. Some say Christus or Chrestus, ha-Notzri, Yeshu, ben Stada or ben Pandera.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
Name one and I’ll disporve it.
Diarmait mac Cerbaill
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
There’s a Jesus that got crucified, but no mention about him being able to perform miracles
You just 100% conceded. /thread
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
Evidence isn’t the standard for things existing?
Of course not. There are millions of examples of false claims for which there is more than zero evidence. e.g. I can claim I know which stocks will rise tomorrow, and point to various data of times I’ve been right. You can’t correctly say “There is zero evidence Frightful Hobgoblin is prescient about stock movements”.
There often exists evidence of two mutually incompatible propositions. This is basics.
If you want to research the historicity of Jesus it’s easily done. If you want to argue on the internet… you know what they say about that.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
There’s just no evidence
I have a pet peeve about this phrase. A) yes there is. B) that’s not the standard, e.g. it would be incorrect to say there’s no evidence aliens abduct and probe people: there are eyewitness accounts
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
This isn’t really right. The primary texts corroborate more facts than the name: that he was put to death by the Romans for inciting disloyalty.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
There are 20th century figures whose historicity is disputed.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
The tone of this comment males it suddenly seem like you’re not asking a question but trying tp prove a point.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
Which Egyptians are you referring to? We have lots of archæological proof of the Judaeans.
- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
History is known by:
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Archæological evidence
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Texts
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Archæogenetics
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Historical linguistics
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Myth (euhemerism)
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Maybe some others I’m forgetting
Dino-history isn’t comparable to tthe literate Roman period.
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- Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? 1 week ago:
What do you mean by physical proof?
Some history is known by digging up physical stones n bones. Some is known by digging up texts.
There are multiple texts dated to the 1st century that all corroborate the story that a person called Jesus was crucified around 33AD
- Comment on The Life Of A Collector Is Always Intense - Criterion Announces September 2024 4K UHD & Blu-rays 1 week ago:
I’m pretty sure people who collect DVDs do not have intense lives.
- Comment on Anon tries to keep his hands busy 3 weeks ago:
Story didn’t go anywhere
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Was Ong-Bak 2000s?