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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Here’s how fucked up the story of Adam & Eve is, even before the incest.

    Imagine you were literally just created a short time ago - a season, a year, whatever - and you live in a literally perfect realm, and have no concept of deceit. Then a snake has a conversation with you. Sure, why not? God created everything - he directly told you so. So when the snake says “it’s all good, eat away,” you don’t even have a concept for doubting that he’s legit and honest. So you eat the fruit and suddenly, BAM, God shows up all pissed off. He punishes you for not understanding that he didn’t actually send a messenger. With banishment, pain, and death.

    This is the equivalent of your 3 year old knocking over their bowl of Cheerios after you told them not to and so you drive them out to the woods and leave them there.

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    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      “I always thought that about the Garden of Eden story,” said Ford.

      “Eh?”

      “Garden of Eden. Tree. Apple. That bit, remember?”

      “Yes of course I do.”

      “Your God person puts an apple tree in the middle of a garden and says do what you like guys, oh, but don’t eat the apple. Surprise surprise, they eat it and he leaps out from behind a bush shouting ‘Gotcha’. It wouldn’t have made any difference if they hadn’t eaten it.”

      “Why not?”

      “Because if you’re dealing with somebody who has the sort of mentality which likes leaving hats on the pavement with bricks under them you know perfectly well they won’t give up. They’ll get you in the end.”

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      • Pat_Riot@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I always upvote The Guide

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    • Darkard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Don’t forget that god is supposedly all knowing and all seeing. So he knew his was going to happen anyway, watched it happen, and then swooped in to punish them knowing full well it was his fault and could have intervened at any point.

      Unless of course, Satan is more powerful than god?

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      • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It’s almost as though iron age peasant allegories for natural phenomena don’t make any kind of fucking sense

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      • HeHoXa@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        “problem of evil”

        a classic

        To the final point, I think it’s be more accurate to say deception is more powerful than security, or entropy is more powerful than order.

        It kinda goes both ways. Chaos forbids its own absolution. It’d be too well ordered.

        Balance is the most powerful, the true chaos. Hypocrisy reigns.

        Thank you for attending my toker talk.

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    • TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Only if you left their bowl balanced on the tip of a pencil to begin with.

      Whole thing was a setup.

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    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The incest issue is actually an artifact of the religion initially not being monotheistic. Each region had their own religion and they were all treated as equally valid (at least by early Jewdaism), so the creation story was basically “God created a paradise (and everything else) and two people in that paradise, but then they got kicked out and had to go live with all the other people made by all the other gods”. Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel, Cain killed Abel, so it was pretty much just Cain that carried on that legacy.

      Then, eventually they went monotheistic but didn’t/couldn’t resolve the issues that introduced with the earlier stories (Noah’s story also has similar issues, though I’m not sure it also once had a resolution of “other gods made more people” or if the resolution involved smacking anyone who brought up the question).

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      • plutopos@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        This. Iirc, after the murder incident, Cain goes abroad and marries a woman from a different land (?)

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      • DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The solution to naoh’s story is also semi “incest” btw. I recently wondered the same a quick google told me naoh was on the arc with the wives of his sons. Not his sons, their wives. They repopulated the world…

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    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. How are you supposed to know the Lord is good if you don’t know what good is?

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      None of it’s that fucked up if you interpret it as a creation story that’s about why things are the way they are rather than something that literally happened.

      Creation stories do tend to involve incest because there weren’t many folks around. And you’re not meant to worry about understanding of deceit because it’s explaining why life isn’t perfect and served that function perfectly well.

      Of course, this still presents a problem for literal believers. But they’re a minority (and have been for hundreds of years).

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      • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It shows a being that believers say is the ultimate moral authority, God, behaving in a morally abhorrent way.

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      • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        The biblical literalists are literally running a huge chunk of our country (USA) right now. American evangelicals are fucking deranged.

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  • MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Not much toilet paper, how else is she going to get it clean.

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    • defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Makeshift bidet.

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      • Pickleideas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        THAT IS ALSO FORBIDDEN

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    • ashestoashes@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      bath

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  • Meron35@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Did Adam eat Eve’s ass? Think about it. From the moment they were created to just before Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit, they were exploring the Garden of Eve, as well as trying to understand each other. Was the time in-between a matter of days, or weeks? We do not know because we were not there. Despite Genesis being the official story, this Old Testament book was created for human understanding, thus we don’t actually know. Therefore, Adam had plenty of time to experiment, despite not knowing what he was doing. One afternoon, Adam could’ve placed his hands on Eve’s ass and decided, “Hm, this feels nice, I wonder what it tastes like?” Please keep in mind that the good Lord said they could eat ANYTHING in the Garden, except the Apple of Eden. With this fact in consideration, Adam could have proceeded to eat Eve’s ass without repercussions, with God looking on thinking: “Well, they aren’t eating the Apple, so…” Lucky bastard

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  • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Wouldn’t count that as paradise then

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    • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      There are two types of people in the world. People who love to eat/getting their ass eaten… And liars.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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    • W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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