I believe the soldiers would back the citizens but trump’s private army (ICE) would defend him.
If a revolution started tomorrow in the US to get rid of Trump, could the majority of society use hit and run tactics successfully? Or what would be the tactics the rebels would use?
Submitted 1 day ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
The US is basically one big unhardened underbelly.
The US puts most of its effort into creating the appearance of strength rather than strength itself, and its been baked into the military doctrine since the 1950/60s with Korea. Copaganda (shows like 24 or Cops), the Military-Industrial-Film complex (Top gun, too many movies to list), comic book movies (good guys have to always do the more “moral” thing), the shock and awe doctrine; you can genuinely attach the US’s security posture almost directly to one guy: Robert McNamara. This idea of creating the appearance of the thing being as effective as the thing is fundamental to US hegemony, and its currently falling apart. The man behind the curtain was never meant to be revealed because the theatrics were supposed to be so impressive you would never even consider trying to reveal them.
Take a look at Russias invasion of Ukraine, and consider the implications of what it means to have un-hardened infrastructure. Now the US continues to believe itself to be invulnerable in this regard, but consider, what would be the implications of an oil pipeline disruption at this current moment? Trump brags about how the US is relatively secure in regards to oil production, twice as much as the next blah blah blah.
Those pipelines run for hundreds of miles basically defenseless.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
He said, as he gave out instructions on how to start Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Kind of reminds me of those frozen grape juice blocks they sold in the 1930s that did NOT contain alcohol, but gave a very specific warning on the back for the exact specific steps you absolutely shouldn’t do. Because if you did complete those steps, your 100% legal nonalcoholic grape juice would ferment into illegal alcoholic wine. They’re just warning you what NOT to do. Wink wink.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Saying “the US has unhardened infrastructure” is as obvious as saying “don’t attack Iran, they can choke off 30% of the global economy”.
Only the most obtuse and maladroit of players of the game would allow themselves to expose such glaring vulnerability.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Are they remaking Red Dawn again?
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Nice try, Trump.
snooggums@piefed.world 22 hours ago
Stephen Miller
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Please, you think this question is some kind of honeypot?
If it was, that wouldn’t work. 80% of his most loyal staff (especially the secret service) are part of the revolution, playing the long game to undermine his administration from within. Basically, everyone he truly relies on is plotting against him.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Actually, I thought it was a good setup for a cliche one-liner.
Wilco@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
A modern revolution would be just getting a delivery driver outfit (FedEx, ups, etc) and just taking care of business on targets of opportunity.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
That or small drones, hacking “self driving” cars.
Wilco@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
::Takes notes::
Tiresia@slrpnk.net 22 hours ago
Revolutions typically only involve a small part of the population. January 6th only involved a couple thousand people and the fact they didn’t massacre congress and have a successful coup as a fait accompli was more down to the lack of dedication of the coup attempt than to the successful defensive efforts of the US government.
In a more hard-fought revolution, the people that take to the front lines are typically the ones who feel physically and strategically capable of doing so. Other people can handle the logistics, planning, and propaganda.
What tactics the rebels would use is kind of unanswerable because there isn’t a revolution happening tomorrow. The tactic current rebels use is to hide, train, recruit quietly, and propagandize. They choose this tactic because they know they aren’t in a position to win a revolution that starts tomorrow. If we imagine a world where a revolution would happen tomorrow, we have to imagine the world being different from ours in certain ways that cause the rebels to adopt different tactics that constitute “starting a revolution”.
Depending on the specific ways we imagine the world to be different, the rebels would adapt different tactics. The US military could stage a coup and arrest Trump as quickly as they kidnapped Maduro, then install an interim government to organize fair elections. There could be a surge of popular outrage resulting in swarm tactics that overwhelm key government buildings before adequate defense is raised. There could be a protracted civil war as rebels destroy military-industrial infrastructure while accepting aid from the US’ many enemies, with rebels having trained in secret militias and learning more on the go.
cmeu@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I used to bullseye womp rats in my t-16 back home
Just aim for the exhaust ports!
EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Who said it will be civilians
peepeepoopoo@hilariouschaos.com 21 hours ago
The problem with this type of violence is that when it does eventually happen, it will be the christo-fascists vs everyone that doesn’t want to be forced to live their way. The morally right side of this conflict is going to have to fight the christian nationalists AND the US government. I won’t submit to defeatism, but it’s going to be grim.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 22 hours ago
The US has 300 million people in it. If even one percent of them decided to pick up a brick and go to Washington DC there isn’t an army on earth that could stop them.
Revolutions are fought by a tiny minority against another tiny minority while everyone else just tries to stay alive.
1D10@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Pretty sure in 9 out of 10 fights an A10 beats brick.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
The US has 300 million people in it. If even one percent of them decided to pick up a brick and go to Washington DC there isn’t an army on earth that could stop them.
Is that true? Like, it would be suicidal for anyone in Washington and out of a bunker, plus it would be a really bad idea for literally dozens of reasons, but couldn’t the military just nuke them?
That’s not a gotcha, by the way, I hope even this administration isn’t stupid enough to do that, which makes this effectively true, I’m just curious.
ClownStatue@piefed.social 18 hours ago
You’re assuming the military would take part. If there was open rebellion in the US, it would probably cause a fracture in every branch of the military. The ones who leave would likely take up arms with the rebels, bringing their strategic and tactical expertise.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 17 hours ago
I’m not what condition for victory would be achieved by nuking Washington DC for anyone. Seems like that would be a win for the people opposed to the existing government to me.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 18 hours ago
Hit and run? Yeah, but against what targets? J6 was moderately successful because they were already gathered from across the country in one place. I don’t know that you could get that much opposition that deep into DC without the regime having a lot, lot more security, and I doubt they’d be as non-lethal as they were against the bulk of the J6ers. Locally it’d be a fight against the police, National Guard, and all the Rittenhouses who have a thirst for blood and would finally have an excuse to do it assuming they’d be exonerated. Americans have enough access to guns they could revolt, but the cost will be high and the people they’d be fighting are well equipped. But I’d point out Seattle has been successful in some of their rebellions, so unless the regime was willing to send in military grade artillery and level city block, you could probably capture areas and keep cops/National Guard at bay. However, I think Trump and Kegsbreath would absolutely bomb Seattle/Portland/Chicago/LA if given a reason. Waco 2.0.
Fribbizz@feddit.org 14 hours ago
You are thinking the wrong place. Not Waco, but Tulsa 2.0. The Tulsa race massacre is more what would happen, unfortunately.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
You think American can run? Lmao