On Venus.

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• Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Both the US and Russia have spent my entire life cooperating on the most ambitious space endeavor the planet has (the ISS), why are we trying to create some kind of ideological wedge between the two countries? Don’t we have enough of those?

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  • Rhoeri@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Because tankies don’t like nuance.

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    • ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Trust a piefed user to bring up tankies for absolutely no reason. Rent free

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  • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yeah one of my favorite little stories / poems is something I read on Tumblr years ago. It’s currently attributed to Swan Jolras:

    we spent hundreds of years looking up at the stars and wondering “is there anybody out there” and hoping and guessing and imagining

    because we as a species were so lonely and we wanted friends so bad, we wanted to meet other species and we wanted to talk to them and we wanted to learn from them and to stop being the only people in the universe

    and we started realizing that things were maybe not going so good for us— we got scared that we were going to blow each other up, we got scared that we were going to break our planet permanently, we got scared that in a hundred years we were all going to be dead and gone and even if there were other people out there, we’d never get to meet them

    and then

    we built robots?

    and we gave them names and we gave them brains made out of silicon and we pretended they were people and we told them hey you wanna go exploring, and of course they did, because we had made them in our own image

    and maybe in a hundred years we won’t be around any more, maybe yeah the planet will be a mess and we’ll all be dead, and if other people come from the stars we won’t be around to meet them and say hi! how are you! we’re people, too! you’re not alone any more! , maybe we’ll be gone

    but we built robots, who have beat-up hulls and metal brains, and who have names; and if the other people come and say, who were these people? what were they like?

    the robots can say, when they made us, they called us discovery; they called us curiosity; they called us explorer; they called us spirit. they must have thought that was important.

    and they told us to tell you hello.

    The astronauts of today from various nations literally live and work together in shared space stations, less concerned with who’s tribe is better and more concerned with, you know, space, which is vast and doesn’t give a shit about our petty differences

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  • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This has some tankie level vibes. It’s referencing the Cold War era. Though I seem to remember as a kid in the 80s learning about Russia’s Venus crafts. This is like reverse propaganda.

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Exactly. And let’s be real, both countries are absolute shit.

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    • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh yes. The world would be much better if they could self destroy or destroy each other while leaving everybody else to their own problems, like Switzerland is famous for.

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  • MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Because we wouldn’t have “For All Mankind” without that sweet sweet political tension

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    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m sorry, I don’t know what you’re referencing :(

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• carrylex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Oh this stupid discussion that we have like every 3 years

  Here some other memes from the last time this came up:

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  • Zorcron@piefed.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lmao that last Poland Ball one is hilarious.

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• ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This whole post seems like bait for drawing out nationalists.

  It utterly ignores the vast, vast spectrum of space exploration and discoveries that many other nations have contributed, as well as the US’s ongoing progress towards a permanent space presence after the USSR collapsed. And all it, from the advancements of Russia in the 60’s and 70’s up through today to India and China and ESA exploring our solar system as the US collapses er, scales back from the frontier of science and exploration. It’s all worth celebrating and being glad happened in our lives so we get to see amazing sights and learn amazing things about our local space neighborhood.

  If you take pride in shit you didn’t personally do and feel others are inferior for not achieving your own measure of success, you’re setting yourself up for being a mindless chud and girls will never touch your weewee.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    it is b8 :) ya got me. the end is cool though.

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    • Soulg@ani.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, it is cool. And the bait part actively hurts what should be cool science info.

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• atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  We absolutely saw those photos in school in the US… maybe this person just didn’t pay attention?

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  • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yeah, even in my so-shitty-sometimes-cows-wandered-in highschool we learned about this (and a whole lot more about Russian-american cooperation post space race.)

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• Pirasp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I hate to be that guy, but the first space rocket was one of the V2 test vehicles in 1944. It made it to an altitude of 176km Wich is most definitely in space.

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• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  having a cow on every square inch of your body

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  • tryitout@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It would take approximately 17 to 31 adult Dalmatians to equal the weight of an average adult cow, depending on the specific weights of the animals.

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• GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Gee, wouldn’t it be nice if both countries prioritized space exploration instead of wholesale slaughter?

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  • Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    But without wholesale slaughter we’d never have the motivation to build rockets that made space exploration possible! /s

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    • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “Increase the orphan input to the orphan crushing machine! We need more blood/lube for the war machine!”

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• HollowNaught@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I get where they’re coming from

  I went to a space cadet camp at the Kennedy Space Centre. Considering I’m not American, Florida was a bit of a change for me

  It was really odd how much they glossed over how they managed to do things, and instead focused on what they did instead

  One good example of this was when the USA made these new engines for a rocket, and they tried to really underline how much of a scientific breakthrough they were, all while never actually saying what they did differently. Similarly, every time they brought up Russia it was always about how they were a step behind, slapping on a bunch of rockets to compensate for the fact that they had worse machinery

  Of course, they never brought up how Russia was basically in front for the entire race until the US moved the goalposts, as shown in this meme

  So yeah that’s my experience on how this is taught in America

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  • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Checks out how America was the single factor that allowed WWII to start favouring the winning parties in Europe theatre.

    Cue to the stereotypes that you only hear if you speak English: France surrenders at a mosquito’s notice, USSR could only fight because Americans leased tanks starting from 1941, and everybody else was just dumb.

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• fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If you cannot read it, open in browser. It is your app.

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  • Deebster@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Or get a better app! Vogager (app, not probe) lets you double click to make tall posts zoom to screen width.

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  • NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Smartphone pinch zoom worked great

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  • robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    screenshot of op as it appears in a desktop browser

    pretty clunky format regardless

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• Infamousblt@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Turns out when science is publicly funded you can do a lot of really cool science for science sake

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  • NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Hey, the US funded science education for roughly 15 years when the space race was ongoing

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• qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Not a historian, but folks on The Internet have characterized the Soviet program as a series of milestones, with the US program a series of stepping stones in support of a single goal.

  This makes sense with the cartoon, where the Soviets were first in basically everything except walking on the moon.

  Not sure how much merit it has, but it’s kinda interesting.

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  • theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Less merit truthfully it wasn’t the single goal to put a man on the moon until it became a convenient "win condition " for Western politicians.

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    • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well well if it’s the first thing you do first, it’s very convenient to say it’s the winning condition.

      Because you’re late or incapable of winning every single thing imaginable besides the one you declare to be the “only true race”. If this sounds racist, it’s because they are. Coincidence?

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• ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Good call getting past “first dog” quickly, lest we dwell on it too much.

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• aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The people who do this cool shit are scientists and Cosmonauts who genuinely want to learn and explore. The fact that they did it under communism is irrelevant.

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• bbboi@feddit.uk ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Doesn’t it make more sense to build a satellite to study mercury rather than kamikaze-ing rover after rover?

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  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Venus is a lot closer to Earth.

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    • bbboi@feddit.uk ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Closer than what?

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• comrade19@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I like.this but I always get bothered by the pressure analogies. You wouldnt feel a cow crushing every inch nope.

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