Fun fact, most people in the world are trichromats, they have 3 types of colour sensors in their eyes. One type of colourblindness that only affects men is where they only have 2 types of sensor and are dichromats - the gene is only found in the X chromosome, and it’s impossible for women with two X chromosomes to get the deficiency. However, it’s possible for women to get super genes and have 4 types of sensor, making them quadchromats. These ladies can see colours in between two other colours, that no one else can see. However, because the world is built by and for trichromats, this gift goes by largely unknown even by the people who have it.
It do be like that
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TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 year ago
TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It is possible for women to be colorblind (if their father is colorblind and their mother is a carrier for the gene).
It is also possible for men to be tetrachromats if they have XXY genes (called Klinefelter syndrome).
ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 1 year ago
This is not true. That women cannot have the congenital dichromacy (or anomalous trichromacy) that biological males commonly have is flat out wrong. A biological female can still be a protan or deutan, but the phenotype requires that both X chromosomes carry the recessive color vision-deficient alleles. Nevertheless, given that ~8% of all X chromosomes have such a gene regardless of sex, the incidence in the female population is still around half a percent, which is not insignificant.
Interestingly, one form of tetrachromacy in females actually has the same cause of color vision deficiency in some males (specifically anomalous trichromacy). From what I understand, only one X chromosome is active per cone cell, and which one is active is random. So, half of such a person’s cone cells of one type are “normal” while the rest of that type are anomalous and have a slightly different peak wavelength. The net result is four different types of cone cells, i.e., tetrachromacy, which may have an incidence of more than 10% in females.
sndrtj@feddit.nl 1 year ago
X-inactivation is a little bit more complicated than that. While the process of X-inactivation initiation is random, once a cell has settled on one chromosome, all its daughter cells will silence the same chromosome. The initial process happens in the early embryo, so large patches of the body have the same X chromosome silenced.
This pattern is visible in some animals. E.g. a tortoise cat’s pattern arises due to the hair color gene existing on the X chromosome. Consequently, male tortoise cats are rare (XXY, XXXY etc only)
Remmock@kbin.social 1 year ago
It’s not actually called quadchromatism but tetrachromatism.
Psythik@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I once knew a girl who was colorblind. Both her parents were too. It’s rare but it can happen.
Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 1 year ago
My daughter has the super eyes. She looooves pointing out different colors that “daddy can’t see!” Lol.
AeroLemming@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I don’t have this condition, but just guessing: couldn’t you eventually figure it out if you noticed that cameras (which just use RGB) couldn’t capture certain distinct colors that you could see?
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m a male designer, and have a good eye for color. Am I a mutuant?
Vub@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No, you just think you’re good.
kemsat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They’re different. The one of the right seems… lighter? Man, fuck me if I’m just making shit up.
xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 1 year ago
One is slightly brighter/more magenta-esque
But yeah there’s basically no difference
x4740N@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Left is #b100fe and right is #b71cfe
Agent641@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mentally reached for Ctrl+Shift+C
habanhero@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Obviously white and gold
FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 1 year ago
My theroy is that since decorating is seen as a feminine thing (which is silly) a lot of men will play dumb about color differences to not appear girly. It easy enough to say it doesn't matter and not care. But those two shades are super close, but they are different. Every time I've had a guy blow something like this off, I was able to drill them down in to admitting that they do see a difference.
It's not exactly weaponized incompetence but more like learned protective responses effects of toxic masculinity.
fushi01@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ever heard of chromosomes? Girls see colors more vibrantly BECAUSE they have X X pair which helps in color perception and disitinction.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 year ago
While the chromatic genes are on the X chromosome and this does give girls a statistical advantage, really most men and women are more or less the same. Most people are trichromats with 3 types of colour sensors, however there is a certain type of colourblindness only in men where they have a defficient X gene and only end up with 2 types of sensors. With women, they can’t get the dichromatic defficiency because of the redundant X gene. Instead, they can sometimes end up with 4 types of sensors and can see even more colours than everyone else - they see shades of colour in between colours that everyone else sees as the same.
So having XX genes doesn’t help you see better or distinguish colours, it just changes the likelihood of either a slight defficiency or a slight extra proficiency - but most likely you’ll be about the same as everyone else.
hydroel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Imma need more than a “trust me bro” on this.
FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 1 year ago
Ha!
I almost put that in my post. But, also you kinda got the fact wrong. No XX people don't see more color vibrantly, but XY are indeed more likely to be color blind. But honestly the rate at which XY chromosome men are more color blind is nowhere near the amount of guys that can't tell the difference between colors. Absolutely men tend to have higher rates, but there is more going on here.
kemsat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No. It’s not guaranteed that females can see more colors. It’s almost impossible for males to do so (XXY chromosome grouping, which is also rare), but it’s also fairly rare for women to be able to see more colors. Females can also be colorblind, but it’s very rare: both X chromosomes you get from your parents must carry the deficient gene.
supamanc@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yes, there is a difference, but it’s barely perceptible, therefore it makes no difference which one is picked. If you actually have a preference go with that one. Otherwise flip a coin.
FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 1 year ago
Well yes, but that is besides the point of what I'm saying? Of course the choice doesn't matter, they are functionally the same, just not exactly the same. No one would come out and say that DEF the right is better and the left sucks.
But they ARE different. I mean this works as a joke here in shit posting because it's a well known thing that a lot of men will say there is NO difference. That's not true.
teddy2021@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Have you considered the role that drilling has in your results?
kemsat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re being hated on, but I get what you mean. There are people that to fit in, according to what they’ve learned or been taught, would pretend to not see the difference. I guess people here don’t think that such things can affect people.
Remmock@kbin.social 1 year ago
I don’t.
But I’m colorblind.
djdadi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But also, there are lots of colorblind guys. I can’t barely tell a difference between brown and green, let alone these colors.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Actual man here:
The original image above, the color is so close that my brain is willing to write off any perceived difference as an optical effect; one page might be held at a slightly different angle to the light and slightly more in shadow or something. The cropped side by side image with most of that context removed, yeah the left one is slightly darker.
Imagine I was painting a room. A big room, enough to need more than one gallon of paint. if I got halfway through a wall, ran out of the first can, opened the second can, and the color was that different where it left a visible seam…yeah that would irk me. On the other hand, if they told me they’ve only got one can of each of these two colors…I could make that work. I could plan ahead and put the seam in a corner or something where again the angle of light will probably trick you into thinking it’s not there.
That’s not what women do to me though. What women do to me is scamper up with a handful of swatches/lipstick tubes/nail polish bottles/whatever, and say “Which do you like better? Totally Tiffany, Neon Bruise, or What Barbie’s Black Friend Wears?” All three are similar shades of purplish magenta. They’re close enough that one being slightly farther back in her hand or at a slightly different angle to my eye can change the difference. She intends to choose one, buy (or sometimes wear) it, and leave the others behind. Once it’s on her hands/face/walls, you’ll never see the others.
Now, in the case of makeup…It’s genuinely not “that’s girl stuff, being interested in that threatens my masculinity” or however many pop psychology feminist blame words you want to stack up on it. It’s how vehemently negative women react to men expressing opinions on makeup. I, like approximately 4 billion other men, don’t really like how women look when they’re wearing a lot of makeup, and have been bitched out at length for saying so. As a result, A: I no longer see women as “pretty” or “beautiful” because one way or another they really aren’t, and B: I’m going to shut down any question here as abruptly and angrily as possible. Probably with a “How fucking DARE you ask me this?” Starting out trying to be nice and diplomatic “It doesn’t matter to me, go with the one you like” is just a waste of time, because she will not accept it.
In the case of house paint, there’s a 45% chance that she’s in the same “there is a perceptible difference but it’s so close that it won’t matter in the finished product, but I’ve got to tell the guy behind the counter to make just one of them” headspace he’s in, and the real dispute is that neither of you are willing to make the pointless decision neither of you cares about, and a 55% chance she’s already picked out a favorite and she’s “testing” you to see if you’re going to pick the same one, because this month’s issue of Cosmo told her to. Most of the time you can tell which scenario you’re in if she’s asking about the primary or secondary color.
Then when he says “They look the same to me” she interprets this as “I am strongly asserting that these are precisely the same CMYK shade” and not “they’re so close that it’s not worth the effort you’re asking me to put in.”
Meanwhile this whole time I’ve been two aisles down on staring at the cans of Minwax stain utterly convinced that the little sample window they put to show you what color the stain is are all the same shade of brown with different patterns of wood grain in them.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m a guy, and at first glance, I literally didn’t see a difference. The colors are so close that I just didn’t bother taking the time to actually check if they’re slightly different.
Yeah, if I take the time and look closely, I’ll notice a difference. If I’m decorating a room or something and actively looking at colors, I’ll make sure to grab the same code because someone would notice otherwise, but I’m really good at just ignoring small differences.
FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 1 year ago
Do you see the irony of writing out a few paragraphs so you can explain "not all men... " to a woman about why her personal take on toxic masculine traits is flawed? Gender roles are made up BS, so I'm happy you don't see yourself in that binary. But look how many other men also came to correct me. You have plenty of company telling saying very simmiliar things.
Not liking trucks or snuggling your kids doesn't exempt you from possibly picking up toxic traits. Look, you don't have to agree or like my personal opinions. No one does. But I've already explained thoughts throughly enouvh yesterday. Go read my other comments if you like, but I'm done talking about this.
Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
they are the same colour tho?
Primarily0617@kbin.social 1 year ago
Leshoyadut@kbin.social 1 year ago
x4740N@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
that’s better, thanks
Psythik@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Not as far as my eyes can tell. There is a slight difference.
RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why do is see the difference in the colors?
MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I think I read something before about how women’s eyes are better at differentiating colors but men’s eyes are better at detecting movement.
Maybe that’s why I’m always like “how did you not find this thing, it’s sitting right there!” all the time.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think it’s a cultural thing. In uni we had to learn how to titrate to figure out concentrations and we had to look out for sudden color changes to figure out the concentration of a solution. Well, I had a professor who’d constantly revel in the fact that men often had trouble with this, but in a toxic way.
I know that women are constantly exposed to different tones and shades from using makeup. And I understood the assignment because I had studied some graphic design earlier and had to tell colors apart. Whet she didn’t get was that I only needed a color reference all along! I literally did not know what color it was supposed to be and she didn’t bother to explain lol
SeeMinusMinus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
colorblindness entered the chat
AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You mean you can’t almost immediately tell the left is barely darker than the right?
Senseless@feddit.de 1 year ago
No it’s not! move phone closer, then further away… No it’s not! Is it?!
Tixanou@lemmy.world 1 year ago
i think the one on the right is brighter, not sure though
gerryflap@feddit.nl 1 year ago
After staring for long enough I’ve decided that left is slightly more purple and right slightly more pink
mxd2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
true
iMike@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes
bleistift2@feddit.de 1 year ago
#b100fe and #b71cfe
Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
It’s true.
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