Submitted 17 hours ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
Palestine doesn’t have an army, a navy, or an air force.
But, enjoy all the excuses you will undoubtedly see in this thread from genocide Israeli apologists.
Hell, Palestinians can’t even go to a designated aid station for food without getting massacred by Israel.
I don’t know if there has ever been this level of discrepancy between availability vs access to aid in a conflict. There’s lots of aid available, but Gaza has zero access to it.
It’s a manufactured famine, which is a war crime.
But try telling that to an Israel apologist.
For Israel, all non-Jewish people in the region are “Hamas”.
Why doesn’t Israel just fuck off and go back to where they came from?
Which is where?
Wherever it may have been where their grandparents or parents came from. It’s a failed colonialist experiment that needs to come to an end.
Because that’s not how any of this works.
For one, modern warfare is always asymmetrical. There’s no fair fights - the weapons are too strong. There’s no way to do this without turning it into a sport, at which point why make it lethal? Either way, the loser could decide to go back to violence
For two, this isn’t a war, this is denying aid to starving people, then shooting at the bread lines for reasons such as… Showing up too early
For three, Hamas are hardliners. They want all of Israel, which is obviously impossible. So their method is to make Israel martyr the civilians in the hopes the rest of the world will attack Israel
For three part 2, Israel is propping up Hamas because they’re hardliners. When Hamas gets to open to a real piece deal, Israel assassinates the moderate (and often the negotiator)
And beyond all of that… This is violence. This is what happens when you flip the table. We could settle conflict with Yu-Gi-Oh games, but only so long as everyone abides the results.
We have rules of warfare… But even those are broken all the time. In fact, if everyone followed the rules, both sides would only be allowed to hit military targets. Hamas wouldn’t be able to hide among civilians, so they’d just occasionally attack Israeli troops before running off to a deep hole somewhere. Israel would only be able to attack that hole, so they’d probably occasionally find one and cut the numbers
So don’t ask why the combatants don’t duke it out… Ask why the rules aren’t working
I don’t know if it would be correct to say that the civilians have nothing to do with the war. As far as I’m aware, the IDF’s intended target is all Palestinians, civilians included.
When a majority of Israeli citizens are in support of what’s going on they are just as guilty as their government
Because that only makes sense if both sides are roughly the same size and strength. When one side is outnumbered and outgunned, it is better to hide and ambush.
Ask Israel that
Hey IDF, why do you guys wear uniforms and operate openly and build military bases away from schools and hospitals? Curious. You know who else used to act like that? Hitler and the nazis.
why do you guys wear uniforms and operate openly and build military bases away from schools and hospitals
Two reasons: First, they actually have a military, generously funded by the US taxpayer. Second, you’re right, it’s so rude for Palestine to directly place their schools and hospitals in the path of American Israeli bombs.
See also: It’s your fault for putting your face in the way of my fist.
why don’t the US and the Viet Cong just meet at a predetermined place and time so the US can spray agent orange more effectively? All those war crimes in Vietnam could’ve been avoided if the Vietnamese guerillas just surrendered in advance!
think about the children IDF soldiers!
Why doesn’t
Hamas orIsrael just meet at a predetrmined place and time and just have out or kill the crap out of each other? Instead of involving civs who don’t have anything to do with war?
Trial by combat! Pick your champion
Because why would they put themselves in danger, when they can let others die for them?
Hamas was what Afghanistan/Osama Bin Laden was to the United States but Palestinians ended up being the Iraq end of the matter for Israel.
Do the math.
You have discovered you’re wanted dead by an country committing warcrimes and who is capable of blowing shit up from a distance. Are you going to announce where you’ll be and when? How sure are you that they won’t kill you the moment you arrive or even in transport to the location?
Flip the switch and you’ve committed war crimes, arent you going to try to do the same to them?
Beyond that, no set time and place will simulate a side’s perceived strengths and their opponents perceived weaknesses. To do what you suggest would require both sides to agree, but one or both sides aren’t going to agree if it is at their advantage
Meaning, the only way this would be agreed is if:
At that point you might as well propose alternatives to killing each other (and bystanders)
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 17 hours ago
Because Hamas then wouldn’t stand a chance and prefers to use the civillians as tactical asset to increase there odds, which is asshole-behaviour.
And because the Israelis decided to don’t care about this civilians any more, which is also asshole behaviour.
So, in short: because both are assholes.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Totally.
Hamas should not have put their hospitals in the way of
AmericanIsraeli bombs.SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
They do care, they care because they want to kill as many civilians as possible. That’s why they kept repeatedly bombing the “safe” routes/zones the IDF themselves designated for evacuation dozens of times.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
LOL, telling people to evacuate when there’s no real infrastructure to do so… does not absolve them for committing a genocide.
I could sail out to the middle of the ocean, put you on a rowboat, and tell you that you’re free to go “safely” and it’s still going to be my fault when your ass drowns.