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American bully XL dogs to be banned by end of year - Sunak

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Flax_vert@feddit.uk⁩ to ⁨unitedkingdom@feddit.uk⁩

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66818862

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  • Jabbawacky@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Literally the only thing I can agree with sunak on. Good.

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    • KevonLooney@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s just a distraction from the UK’s anemic growth. Obviously he has done nothing that worked for the economy, and the conservatives have no ideas. The UK GDP has basically not grown since 2007.

      data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locat…

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      • HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not everything is a distraction tactic

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      • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Without a doubt it is a dead cat issue (no pun intended). Sunak doesn’t give a rat’s anus about the people of the UK. There is plenty of evidence that his interests are purely financial and self motivated. But that doesn’t deflect that there is an issue, and yet again they are making pointless legislation to deal with it.

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      • lemonflavoured@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not everything is a dead cat.

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    • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A total waste of time. Banning breeds has proven to be totally ineffective in the past. The common sense approach would be to make it mandatory to muzzle dogs over a certain size.

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      • Blake@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There are massive differences between implementing a ban on pit bulls in a single city (Denver) and across an entire nation (the UK). The US is such a mess of federal, state, county, etc. laws that it is difficult to enforce such a law, but in the UK, it’s much easier.

        Honestly I’d go a lot further and ban all breeds with significant health issues as well, to be honest.

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      • Jabbawacky@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nah mate, these dogs are fucking disgusting freaks. I’ve been chased by one before - quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck what your research says.

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      • PM_me_your_vagina_thanks@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Totally not a biased source, with no actual statistics or studies to back them up - ah right. We have much fewer dog attacks and especially fatal dog attacks in the UK than the US.

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      • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Muzzles aren’t gonna help when the dog escapes

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  • spacedogroy@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Curious to know what they intend to do with the Bully XLs currently owned legally.

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    • Jabbawacky@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Same as when they last banned a breed. They must all be registered, muzzled, and neutered. If not, fines/seizure and possible imprisonment of the owner.

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      • snooggums@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        A perfectly reasonable way to sunset the breed.

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  • verysoft@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Good job UK, for once

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    • Kuro@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not the breed, it’s the owner

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      • verysoft@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nobody needs a dog that powerful.

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      • lemonflavoured@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Both.

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      • charlytune@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So I read this article recently, and it suggested that some American breeders think there’s specific issues with the breeding line of XLs that are bred in the UK.

        theguardian.com/…/the-alarming-rise-of-american-b…

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      • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You cant ban people

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  • merridew@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Good.

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  • TigrisMorte@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are no dangerous dogs, only scum bag abusive Humans.

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    • GanonMS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then why most of the attacks are by this breed?

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      • reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        At least partly because scumbags who want to abuse a dog until it’s violent and dangerous don’t buy shih tzus to start with. If you ban a breed because it’s “dangerous” you’ll see people defy it, evade it through hybridizing (which already happened, the bully xl is a hybrid of the already-banned bull terrier) or just start abusing and selectively breeding a different large breed until it’s as violent as this breed. I’m not even necessarily against sunsetting this breed, it feels like we’re in a situation where a lot of bad decisions we’ve made in the past have made this a good decision. But I think that there are a lot of core problems that won’t be solved just by playing whack a mole with the current breed making headlines

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      • TigrisMorte@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Same reason Dobermans and Pit Bulls are the most abused Dogs in the US.

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      • PoopingCough@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Because when they do attack they are capable of doing serious damage; enough to be reported. No one is gonna report a dachshund attack for example so statistically it looks like dachshunds never attack people.

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  • Chariotwheel@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Finally. Took them long enough.

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  • Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Of course, the people who abuse their dogs to the point of become dangerous will just move on the next breed.

    Playing whack-a-mole isn’t ever effective policy. Before this breed it was pitbulls, after this breed it’ll just be something else.

    Dog attacks won’t stop unless we ban all dogs, stop people who abuse animals to the point of of being dangerous from owning dogs, or stop people from wanting to abuse animals to the point of being dangerous.

    That said, this isn’t a harmful policy, just an ineffective one. If you want to own a dog, for good or ill, there are plenty of other breeds out there.

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    • lemonflavoured@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The difference is that other breeds aren't quite as dangerous, and so won't kill or maim as many people.

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      • Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m not sure this is a reply to me. Difference in what is that?

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why not just keep banning them?

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      • Chariotwheel@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Germany looks at patterns. Bully XL isn't even accepted as a distinct race and you don't need to ban it, it just needs to hit certain traits and it will be considered a dangerous dog breed regardless.

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      • Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think I answered that. Or I don’t understand your question. Just keep banning what?

        I suppose I assumed the aim of the policy is “to stop fatal dog attacks in the UK”. I also assumed that was the reasoning behind the Pitbull ban too and look where we are. We could learn from history, or we could just keep banning them. This is all just repetition of my previous comment though.

        I guess if the aim is to ban breeds of dogs then sure, why not keep banning them.

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    • HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Dog attacks won’t stop unless we ban all dogs

      This’s is where I issue my standard challenge to find the statistics on fatalities cause by dachshund attacks

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      • Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Once again, someone didn’t read my first two paragraphs.

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  • Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Now do pugs

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    • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Under dangerous dogs?

      I assume you mean due to their health issues. Cant disagree. But I think it would be a Heck of a lot more complex to define breeds that suffer.

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      • dyma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        no, because they are dangeorus

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  • chaosppe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Seems like we need to implement dog licences instead. It takes skill to own a well trained dog. Then just make sure people who are miscreants are banned from owning them.

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    • HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You know that dog licenses were just a tax on dog owners. There was no ‘fit and proper person’ test or requirement for training.

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      • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Inspection of home, walking, traveling skills, leash skills, etc. Do it every year or every “birthday” of a dog you have.

        I own large dogs and would be fine with this. I’m walking around with a weapon, if I train it to be so

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      • chaosppe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I was saying that there should be.

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    • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ah yes, my dangerous weapon of a shiba inu requires a license.

      Unrelated, please do not go into politics.

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  • Gerudo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Read this as some new version of American bulldogs. Glad to know it’s not the same breed.

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    • tal@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I hadn't heard the term either until recently, had to look it up. An American bully is a cross between pit bulls and bulldogs. A bully XL is the largest variant.

      The breed is not an officially-recognized one, so definitions are a bit fuzzy.

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  • NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ok, but how is it going to be enforced?

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    • killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Per the dangerous dogs act?

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    • sirico@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Here’s the neet part it won’t same as the pitbull ban they’ll just mix something like Canie Corso’s or something else that they will then abuse to the point it’ll be a weapon

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      • killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The dangerous dogs act bans cross breeds too. There are hundreds of convictions a year for owning banned breeds.

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      • Blake@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They don’t need to define the breeding as being a cross between x and y breeds, but as a set of characteristics for example. I’m not an expert in dog breeding but I’m sure a group of experts could come up with a definition that isn’t overly broad but also defies workarounds

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