Submitted 1 year ago by landlordlover@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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All the renter’s calling for the heads of the upper middle class property owners.
Stop coming after us. We already pay the most tax and get the least benefits from the tax.
We don’t get all the offsets the millionaires get, and we don’t get the handouts the poor get.
We just get gouged everywhere. We don’t know enough to invest in anything other than housing.
Stop coming after us. We aren’t the problem.
You had me until the handouts
You really are. If you only know how to invest in housing and won’t learn than stop investing.
Oh poor baby, everyone is so mean to you for buying houses you don’t need to exploit the poor and their inherent need for shelter. No one has it as hard you.
Maybe we wouldn’t have a problem if you didn’t invest in people’s livelihood like the stock market
Love for Landlords
Landchads*
You know it, king
I miss this subreddit. I was almost sure it was satire, but the thrill was not really knowing.
About that iFunny watermark…
The problem is landlords who don't give a fuck about their tenants and are fixated on squeezing the most out of them. I currently own my house, but my previous landlords were very diligent with repairs and kept rent increases to inflation. They knew we were dependable tenants who paid rent on time and were going to leave the place in decent shape.
But yes, renting can absolutely have unscrupulous landlords. Large investors especially use rental pricing software to press tenants to their absolute limit. It becomes a form of price fixing.
We rent our starter home out because we want to eventually move back in when we retire. We keep the rent affordable and fix anything that breaks. Only rent increases that happen are due to HOA and property tax increases.
My wife and I hope to be in a similar situation in a few years.
I’ve stopped mentioning it because there was so much negative reaction and I’m tired of explaining. I usually just blurt out whatever is on my mind but this is now among the things I treat as taboo.
What people need to realize is that there are different kinds of people. All kinds of people. There are greedy, corrupt, evil business owners, landlords, politicians, lawyers, cops, etc. But it’s not the job that is the problem. It’s the people.
The only thing that makes the world better is when better people go into those professions. And the only way that happens is if we appropriately respect the importance of the role.
We aren’t interested in price gouging some struggling family that is having trouble making ends meet. We just want to cover maintenance and taxes. If you treat us and our home with respect we will treat you with respect.
I feel like that’s how it should be.
I appreciate your story.
If it’s not unwelcome, I’d offer, I guess, a bit of an explanation, as I think the lines get kinda blurred in the passion of the moment.
From a leftist perspective, the root of the issue is not personal culpability (as in liberalism’s emphasis on the individual), but with the system of organization that creates the “material” conditions. Basically, it’s exactly the opposite of what you said:
But it’s not the job that is the problem. It’s the people.
It’s not the people that’s the problem, it’s the system. There is obviously a spectrum of landlords that make the situation better or worse, but the issue is with the underlying relationship of private ownership itself.
We have to stop seeing rented property as a paternalistic relationship; “this is mine because I paid for it”, and more of a coming together of joint interest; “this is ours, because I may have paid for it at first, but you are actually living in it”. We let authority be derived from that notion of ownership, and that’s the point of concern for those of us being critical of landlords. That we place emphasis on ownership is not anyone’s fault (mostly), but it is the thing we need to be able to discuss without alienating others.
I’m truly sorry for making you feel alienated, I hope my explanation is helpful and not adding to your discomfort.
I’m sure others will disagree but I’m fine with this, especially since it sounds like you’re being fair, not greedy, and have a reasonable exit strategy.
You aren’t hoarding wealth, buying up all the starter homes, making them into unsightly mcmanasions, and then putting them up for rent like a bunch of houses in my neighborhood. Like 7 houses on my block are owned by 2 people.
You can afford to carry two mortgages? Or do you rent out your house and rent something else to live in?
No, first was paid off years ago. We mortgage the second one.
Thipical landlord in my country let you live in the shit with black wall full of humidity and no heater with an high price. And then they will also have the habits to Evict you if they don’t want to pay taxes. And prefer to leave you in the street. So I think that good landlord exists but most of them are just people that want money without give to you the bare minimum to live.
I mean torches have been around a lot longer than Nazis. We’re not letting the Nazis take our torches.
I remember back in twenty-dickety-two when the Nazis took my circle-made-with-forefinger-and-thumb-hand-sign. They tried to take my milk, too, but I chased 'em of my property.
It’s weird to think I miss that stupid game.
Of course it didn’t stop the Kaiser from making off with our word for “twenty.” Say, do you have 5 bees for a quarter?
So I don’t think you did anything wrong, and I’d even go so far as to say selling to anyone but the renters would be tantamount to leaving them to the wolves, but let’s lay out some points
They’ve lived there for over a decade - by all rights except property rights, the house is theirs. At the same time, you played by the rules and built up the slight amount of generational wealth it’ll take to give your children a free pass into the rapidly shrinking middle class
From what you’ve said, your position is not unethical or exploitative - if anything, owning a few properties and renting them at below market value does more good than harm
It’s entirely unfair that you get to essentially tax them for the right to survive, but that’s the only offer on the table. Ideally, you charge a rate near or below your costs over the long term and only make a profit through equity - they are already paying for the mortgage and you take care of sudden large expenses like appliances and repairs… Double dipping and also squeezing them for an ongoing profit is where it goes from potentially fair to profiteering. You get long term wealth, they get stability
Now where it gets dicey is with the pressures of the situation - management companies are getting real cozy with corporate property investors. When they inevitably ratchet up the prices or drop you to focus on bigger fish, will you pass the costs on to them or look at other options? If someone offers you something way over market value, will they have a seat at the table? When you pass it on to your children, will they end up left to the wolves then?
I think you should put thought into these questions, maybe attempt to get to know your tenants enough to feel emotionally connected to them (if they’re amenable to the idea obviously).
And personally, I think you should just do right by them and hold out. Our system is untenable, we’ve reached the limits of easy growth and our economic systems are cannibalizing themselves - if you provide stability at fair rates until we reach the point of transition, I think at that point you can look back and say you did right by them
Tax them for the right to survive? It’s called exploitation, and it’s the name of the game. If you can’t beat them join them.
Good old landlords mocking. I bet there is sub-“lemmy” for that
So how do I follow a specific user’s posts?
I have to rent out my basement, otherwise I literally couldn’t afford my house plus food for my family of 4 (single income). We’re living pay cheque to pay cheque, so I feel a certain amount of “fuck you” to this (assuming) sarcastic post.
cool this post isn’t about you
Poor landlord, I’ll be bartering up my rent this month!
Haha, can you imagine landlords playing the victim like this xD classic. Cracked me up, thanks mate!
the funny thing about cross-posting bans
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
_wintermute@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Username checks out. Also fuck landlords if this was posted unironically.