Holy shit guys. If they wanted to have that requirement let them have it, if people wanted to fulfill it and join its good for them. If they wanted to defederate, thats ok too.
Not everyone needs to do what you do.
Pick your Lemmy instance wisely...
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riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lwuy9v5@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m still a little sad that both solarpunk and beehaw just straight up didn’t respond to my essays back when there weren’t that many lemmy instances yet.
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 1 year ago
I don’t remember if I ever got an email either. I just figured out I was approved once I was able to log on.
I also must say I never wrote an essay lol. Just a few words.
theatomictruth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Same, and I literally just wrote “I think Beehaw would be a good fit for me”
aeki@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I’m on both of those and never got an email, I just tried logging in after a while and it worked.
SharkEatingBreakfast@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I wrote 3 - 4 sentences and got in.
They want people to join who will make an effort to contribute to their community.
So their “”“essay”“” requirement is working if it keeps out people who think that writing a couple lines is “mental”.
SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I earnestly wrote a couple of lines, and then a week later they replied that they don’t have enough information to decide, at which point I just threw my hands up and decided for them.
SharkEatingBreakfast@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They want to know if your views will mesh well with the community they are trying to curate before they let you in.
I browsed Beehaw for a bit before deciding that it did, and mentioned it in my application.
I think they’re a bit more choosy now, as I used to see folks spouting things like “can you not use the word ‘minorities’? It shows a bias. You need to address everyone, not give preferential treatment,” or some other dumb horseshit.
Honestly, I think they just don’t want to have to deal with people saying stupid shit and they’re tired of trying to argue with people who A). genuinely hold stupid, shitty beliefs, or B). are trolling/pretending to be stupid in order to get a reaction.
More power to them, if that’s the case.
Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]B1naryB0t@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I bet they’re glad to not get people like you who use ableist slurs.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Why DO you wanna join? Is it to make sure everybody is nice to you?
seathru@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Uh, Yeah. If you’re going to give me the choice. My free time is limited, why share it with assholes?
Cabrio@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Catharsis? Relatability?
I like being an abrasive prick, so I do it to the disingenuous, the wilfully ignorant, and the maliciously belligerent.
Be a dick to an asshole, save a pussy.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 year ago
atocci@kbin.social 1 year ago
It's nice here, but we aren't totally safe from drama either. In the Kbin Codeberg for example, issue #196 attracted the ire of another developer
BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 1 year ago
Care to elaborate what you said?
original_ish_name@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Kbin uses codeberg? I might move to kbin because they’re chad
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Kbin is part of the Fediverse, 𝖄𝖔𝖚’𝖗𝖊 𝖔𝖓𝖊 𝖔𝖋 𝖚𝖘 𝖓𝖔𝖜
TwinTusks@outpost.zeuslink.net 1 year ago
Theres drama?
mrbubblesort@kbin.social 1 year ago
Seriously, I must've hit the jackpot or something picking instances because it's been pretty much nothing but a stable, drama-free experience for me there
pastthepixels@lemmy.potatoe.ca 1 year ago
Don’t forget people on single user instances too! It feels pretty good watching drama and not having to worry about how this affects me.
r00ty@kbin.life 1 year ago
The beauty of the fediverse. You have the choice of multiple projects and for each project many instances covering political, technical and other points of view. Each of those able to curate and moderate the experience to fit in with expectations.
If none of those suit you, you can make your own.
I totally understand what beehaw are trying to do. If there was no choice there might be a problem but, there is plenty of choice.
lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I literally told them I like their animal community and want to look at animals and mentioned how I feel about bunnies and that was that, I’m an official beehaw member who can look at animals whilst signed on to beehaw lol they’re not for everyone and that’s fine because they’re not trying to be for everyone. If it does seem like a place you want to join they’re not insane about sign up, just give them a good reason you want to be there besides like “trolling lolz”.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just don’t ban me for an arbitrary reason you’ll never explain and you’re worlds better than Reddit
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
From what I’ve seen, you’d have a clear reason, and at least a chance to reply, apologize, and/or change your behavior… but you need to follow the “be nice” rule, and if you don’t agree, it’s the door. So not a good place for shitposting, trolling, sealioning, making fun of others, or general 4chan-ing.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
See I don’t do any of that to begin with, Reddit just loves to Power Trip
3TH4Li4@feddit.ch 1 year ago
If there is anything new for Lemmy as far as I have joined, it’s always the heckin’ instance wars, just pick one and be happy with it Also, there are a lot of instances that require written stuff for joining as an extra filter to avoid bots and trolls ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Graphine@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Honestly I’m considering leaving even .world. Mods have just been feeling too Reddit-like recently.
I guess that’s the nice thing about the fediverse though.
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Beehaw’s mods are definitely not Reddit-like. They’re hard on enforcing the “be nice” rule, so even veiled personal attacks are off the table, and you better be nice to the mods too, or they’ll show you the door.
Whether that aligns more or less with what you’re looking for… you decide. As you said, it’s the nice thing about the Fediverse 🙂
vox@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
you just need 1 sentence.
Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I wrote an essay because i want to brag being able to write an essay in a foreign language. You can’t stop me , muahahaha !
MJKee9@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My response was “because I’d like to be a member of a second instance.”. They rejected my application.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
I just browse their communities from another instance. It’s not like you have to be a member to engage with a particular instance. It might harder to find an instance’s community on your instance because nobody on your instance has subscribed to the community, kick-starting the feed to start populating with its content, but using the outside/3rd party instance/community search tools, I’ve subscribed to several communities across several instances, all from my preferred instance account.
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
would rather start with an entirely open instance and block what I don’t want to see myself
The thing is, federation is a bit… “weird”?
I mean, a federated instance… doesn’t do any federation by default, it just sits there… until “some user” on the instance decides to subscribe to a community on a federated instance… at which point the instance both starts receiving posts from that community, and starts showing them in the All feed.
So the All of an instance, is an aggregated “everything someone on the instance has subscribed to”… which is somewhat of a nonsense: why should an instance owner let decide random users what the instance shows in its public feed?
That means instance owners have to curate which instances do they allow their users to pull into their instance’s All… and thus, defederation.
But even if there was a separate “public All” and a “members only All”… and even if people could filter out stuff from the “members only All” feed of their instance… the instance would still be pulling the content from other instances. That means bandwidth, CPU, RAM, and storage… for stuff that maybe just a single user of the instance is interested in. It makes little sense.
Things get much worse, when a ton of users from a large instance, with a completely different mentality, start commenting on random communities from other instances in their instance’s All feed, just because maybe a single user subscribed to it back at some point, without taking the time to get to know the rules of the target instance (maybe they’ll read the community’s sidebar, maybe they won’t).
At the very least, there should be a prominent warning about “YOU ARE COMMENTING ON ANOTHER INSTANCE, here are its rules”. At the most extreme, breaking the rules of another instance should have consequences at your home one.
Then, and only then, maybe, a large instance with a lot of resources, could pull content from a ton of other instances, and each user could just filter the All feed however they wanted.
But that seems unrealistic, and would lead to centralization, which is the opposite of what the whole concept of federation is about.
I think the current state could be improved, but having the Fediverse split into groups of like-minded instances that gravitate towards each other, is not a bad thing.
Discoverability could be improved, by having tools that show more clearly which instances “belong together”, so users could pick any instance of the group to access to all others. Then each user could filter out the instances “from the group”, at least at the app level, but maybe also directly at the server to reduce bandwidth usage… and use an app to maybe aggregate communities across groups if they wish.
Identity management is a separate point: maybe you want to participate in different instance groups with the same identity, maybe have a different one, or even more than one, per like-minded group. Maybe you want to be a furry programmer, but an anonymous porn watcher, a tinkerer with a real face, and a clown in a pointy hat shitposter.
All of those should be allowed, and even have features to make it easier to not “double dip” (I think Sync may be going in that direction).
TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why would I want to join “Beehaw”? Is it any better than Lemmyworld?
Limit@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Don’t know about beehaw but lemmy.world was really getting on my nerves with how slow it was and how often it was down. Lemm.ee has been a much better experience for me.
TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There had been some downtimes, apparently due to DDoS attacks, but since then everything is fine. Actually I am not a fan of such elitarian approaches, with a hand-picked user base and too strict moderation. I am actually quite happy on Lemmyworld and was curious what would make Beehaw so special. But I’ll keep Lemm.ee in my mind as a possible alternative.
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hey, no cheating! It has a different moderation style and culture. Best explained in the “rules” of the instance, which is a single “be nice” and some commentary. Admins are strict, but fair, and give you a chance to change your behavior if you accidentally break the rule.
TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Their philosophy and rules were a bit of TL;DR for me…
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I know some peeps are annoyed at the thought of instance drama or writing essays etc. But this is exactly what I wanted.
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Wait, is this actually a thing they make you do? That’s mental.
stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s pretty common to gate communities to keep shitters out
PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Beehaw seems like it breeds a toxic environment that’s welcoming to transphobes, so I don’t think I’d want to join
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you had a different nick, I’d ask you what in tarnation made you think that… but it’s hard to take you seriously like this.
PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Cool, my new username is defusing hostile situations
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
With that username, I feel like you’re just mad that they called you out for being a fetishist and not a true ally.
PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I’m not a fetishist or an ally, I’m a gay. I’m gay for people who share my gender identity. Also I’ve never been on Beehaw
Fades@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve never seen that in beehaw, only positive inclusivity… care to share some examples?
PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Their guidelines say you shouldn’t keep responding to someone who says they don’t want to keep talking. So let’s say someone uses a slur that not everyone agrees is a slur, like the R word. I can’t downvote it, so I report it and reply “no slurs”. They respond “I didn’t use a slur and I don’t want to discuss it with you”. Well now it’s down to the moderators to remove the content, and if they don’t agree with me or they aren’t educated then I can’t do a thing about it.
Back on Reddit people used to use my disability as an insult all the time. I’d downvote, report, and comment. I’d pester the bigot so they’d learn that using slurs is more trouble than it’s worth, and lots of times the moderators would say “that’s not a slur” and leave the comment up, and then 4 weeks later the Reddit admins would come and remove the comment. But by then I’d already persuaded the bigot that using slurs is a huge hassle that only leads to trouble. I had a system. I could fight bigotry myself even though I wasn’t a mod.
On beehaw I’m just supposed to trust that the moderators are perfect? No thanks, I’m an anarchist. I don’t trust anyone unconditionally. It would take a whole lot of effort to persuade me that beehaw is a safe space. Because to me, a safe space is a space where I’m able to defend myself when nobody else will.
yukichigai@kbin.social 1 year ago
Beehaw: You should join our instance.
Also Beehaw: We're defederating from two of the largest instances.
gullible@kbin.social 1 year ago
It’s a safe space and the fediverse rapidly expanded tenfold. Beehaw has stated outright that they want to refederate with the big instances, but are delaying until mod tools improve enough to allow them to maintain their safe space for their gaggle of vulnerable folks in the wake of the severely increased workload.
yukichigai@kbin.social 1 year ago
That's nice and all, but "join our instance" and "we're defederated from the other two biggest instances" are in direct opposition to each other, doesn't matter what excuses you use.
dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Safe space, or echo chamber?
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Where does it say that?
This isn’t Reddit/Meta/𝕏, there are no ads, data mining is free for all, you aren’t the product, this is a service to the users. A rabbi would reject you 3 times before considering letting you in, Beehaw only asks you to explain yourself once. If you don’t know why to join, then don’t 🙂
Is “largest” a good thing? Reddit is even larger, is that better?
People split into smaller communities anyway, all a “larger” instance does is reduce the granularity of behaviors, shoving everyone into the same bin. Not all people want to be with all others all the time, smaller instances of like-minded people make it easier to pick your own crowds.