is Chat-GPT refusing this image?

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Kaput@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world⁩

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b9824f61-0328-4f7b-a903-7f07e14d6263.png

I asked Chat-GPT aboout Elon’s salute, just for fun, and it replied it could not analyse pictures and I needed to describe it to him. I had pictures analysed before, even traslating and explaining a cartoon joke. I tought it could be caused by the .webp format. So I retried the joke image and it worked fine. I uploaded a png of Elon and it went wrong. Can others repeat the experience or was it just a fluke?

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Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
suggested it was fake, in part because it depicts a “controversial handgesture”. asked to clarify, it names the roman salute.

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- PapstJL4U@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  to be honest elon using the nazi salute was probably not in the training data or high up ob the probability chart.
  
  As far as I know Elon although has beef with OpenAi.
  
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  - CrayonRosary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    to be honest elon using the nazi salute
    
    That’s not how it works. If the training data had to include specific people doing specific things it’d be useless. Instead, the training let’s it infer individual image elements from different sources. It never had to be trained on orange pentagons to be able identify “orange” and “pentagon” from an image of an orange pentagon.
    
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  - Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    didnt want to suggest this was a response purpose-made for this image. still i find it worrying that instead of admitting it doesnt know this image/ cant tell if its fake or real, it instead directly jumps to “fake”
    
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  - inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    or high up on the probability chart.
    
    Well well well turns out artificial “intelligence” isn’t so intelligent after all
    
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  - umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    lol thats actually very high up in the probability chart
    
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- Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Open AI is in it for the money. Musk has money.
  
  I explained it for everyone. You’re welcome.
  
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  - MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Musk is on the board as I recall.
    
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- hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I fucking hate the term ‘’‘’‘roman’‘’‘’ salute soooooooo much.
  
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  - Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    it also suggested that the gesture did actually originate in ancient rome. when i said that thats not true and the picture is real, it then agreed that the gesture originated in fascist italy, but suggested the picture should be viewed in the “broader context of the event” lol
    
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kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
fwiw i tried the same thing a few hours after the photo came out and it told me the photo must be fake and i need to be careful about misinformation

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- Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  To be fair…based on it knowing who it is, and what he’s doing, if you hadn’t seen it with your own eyes it doesn’t sound plausible. Like if you heard that there was nazi salutes being done at the official presidential inauguration, you’d think “ah, this guys exaggerating. He probably made a small gesture that’s being taken out of context”
  
  Except no. He full on did a nazi salute. Enthusiastically at that. And then he thought “Oh, my bad, the people in the back probably couldn’t see that. LET ME DO ANOTHER NAZI SALUTE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK BEHIND ME!”
  
  And he did it A SECOND time!
  
  It’s not chatGPTs fault it’s unable to discern absurdity from reality at this point. You can’t blame the program for what life has become. I fully expect The Onion to publish an article over the next 4 years that just says “We give up. Fuck it. We can’t make up crazier shit than NPR at this rate.”
  
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  - Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    He didn’t just do another Nazi salute, he did it at the fucking flag.
    
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  - abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I was this guy. People on here were calling the party of Trump nazis. (I’m not US and keep forgetting the names of you parties) I thought they were being stupidly accelerating. Now I’m convinced. The nazis themselves convinced me. Problem is that them publicly doing nazi stuff will not change anything. They could hang brown people in the capitol and it would change nothing.
    
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- Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Nothing and Noone has ever gaslit me more than AI’s. Seriously.
  
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- Kaput@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah it also offered me to analyse it for fake, but refused to look at it otherwise, it disapeared the whole conversation after the warning you see on my post. Could be because I had reached the GPT-4 limit for the day, but I dont remember having conversation disapear from the list.
  
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  - kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Musk is a capitalist. OpenAI is owned by capitalists. Draw your conclusions from that.

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- underwire212@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  🤯
  
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Kyatto@leminal.space ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Y’all need better AI :) The one I “use” gives a good argument in favor of the musk is a fascist interpretation

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- Lightor@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  We would need to see the input too. You can coach an AI response easily.
  
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  - Kyatto@leminal.space ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    First question:
    
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    And what you are replying to is the output from my second question:
    
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- rothaine@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What AI is this?
  
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  - Kyatto@leminal.space ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I use the assistant on kagi, model is Claude 3.5 Sonnet
    
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- TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Wow, that’s actually a really impressive analysis
  
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lurch@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
maybe they have an elon filter

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Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Not mildly.

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- Kaput@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  the picture no I admit it can be very infuriating, Personally it got me cautiously worried. Chat GPT getting crashed when asking about the picture however is mildly. As its not an essential service and I can make my own mind, that was curiosity.
  
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FeloniousPunk@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Same energy.

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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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- bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You’re not wrong, but pretty off topic for a direct comment to the OP. Everyone knows what AI in this context means, no one is mistaking it for AGI. In fact, the majority of experts don’t even bother using AI when referring to AGI because the former has been misused so much for probably 15+ years at this point.
  
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- Kaput@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Well aware of all that, I was curious to see how the picture would be interpreted, I had been amazed by the last one I asked about, which was a cartoon joke in russian. It managed to describe the images, translate and even explain the context.
  
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- Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  OP would only be wrong if he used the term AGI. AI is an umbrella term that encompasses many things including ANI and AGI. If you go to the general Wikipedia page for artifical intelligence, which is conveniently placed in the first paragraph of both links you shared, you will find this bit:
  
  High-profile applications of AI include advanced web search engines (e.g., Google Search); recommendation systems (used by YouTube, Amazon, and Netflix); virtual assistants (e.g., Google Assistant, Siri, and Alexa); autonomous vehicles (e.g., Waymo); generative and creative tools (e.g., ChatGPT and AI art); and superhuman play and analysis in strategy games (e.g., chess and Go).
  
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TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
AI was supposed to save us

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- DaseinPickle@leminal.space ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No, it is supposed to be a weapon in the class war… logicmag.io/failure/the-automation-charade/
  
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  - TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Good read. Thanks.
    
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- THB@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Since when
  
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FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I imagine there’s something in there working to prevent deepfakes.

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skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
ChatGPT is already speaking highly of the EO policy statements being put into place, starting on inauguration day. It can no longer be trusted.

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- Kaput@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It could never be trusted to start with. There is no intelligence to it, its a model based on society’s media soup. Its very easy to manipulate by users depending on how you present your query, and yes it is also tweaked by open AI political views. I expect it to enshitify even faster than google but for now it can be useful in many ways as long as you are aware of whet you are interacting with.
  
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  - skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Some of the models have access to the Internet, and it can process information very fast. As long as it is neutral, it can be “trusted” as far as, it is trying. So you can send it off on a journey to scrape web pages for you and speed a search 30fold. If you’ve used it long enough to know the difference between the hallucinations and mistakes, it can accelerate your work, your learning, your research. You know it’s just regurgitating the Internet and you lens appropriately. You can ask about disparate products and have a table generated to fix the disparate values in their specs. You can have it search large datasets and find errors without having to scroll for 30 minutes. It can regurgitate general learning (that you cross-reference to be sure) and accelerate said learning.
    
    Yes, there is no intelligence to it (neural nets are digital neurons, per se, but that doesn’t mean intelligence), but it is a query-response system that has advantages versus using the current enshittified Internet directly.
    
    Now that it is obviously biased and tainted, no form of it can be trusted. That’s the difference.
    
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bazingabot@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
There is no fun in nazi pictures, you are normalizing fascism, blocked and reported you

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- Kaput@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Normalizing fascism? This picture is at the very top of lemmy.world posted on midly infuriating… What are you reporting? oh you blocked me… I wont know I guess.
  
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  - TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    If you can still see that comment you’re not blocked. I think they deleted their account.
    
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- sndmn@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Eff off
  
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