Submitted 1 year ago by DudePluto@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
cross-posted from: sh.itjust.works/post/2881638
The largest piracy community is hosted over at !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked !piracy@lemmy.ml.
If this is a problem for you, I’d suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn’t block it (such as lemm.ee).
edit:
An official announcement has been made:
Guess I gotta instance hop. I need me mateys
I’ve gotta hop as well; I’m trying to find the biggest/most mainstream instance that hasn’t blocked or defederated from the piracy communities. Will have to check this list and find one when I get a chance.
What a disappointment.
Better to insulate the major instances from potential liability. If people want to find the piracy channels, they can.
Yeah. Thankfully there’s an industrious community of innovative collaborators out there to keep those corners of the Internet thriving and findeable.
I make a lot of noise about how irritated I am at anti-piracy measures in my paid streaming services, but it’s not because I think they’re going to actually stop any piracy. It’s because they’re charging me an extra $1.00 per month for their stupid useless anti-piracy measures.
That’s a real bummer although fully understandable. I will always support lemmy.world.
Why? That’s the whole principle of decentralization, not having to support one host in particular…
That’s disappointing. Guess I’ll join another instance.
Yeah same. No risk unless your hosting content, weak from the lemmy admins.
They’ve recruited a lot of volunteers from various places around the world who could individually have some legal exposure I suppose but yes… It’s a bit disappointing overall.
Literally the best thing to do is spread the load and increase our diversity of instances and communities elsewhere other than one big one, to keep it sustainable.
lemm.ee, lemmy.ml, .cafe even all are calling for users. Use browser.feddit.de to find others.
I assume all instances have rules and how far out there you want to go is up to you. Someone says lemm.ee doesn’t block these sites but rule 2 of that site is No Illegal Content which could arguably cover piracy related groups. Doesn’t stop you just having an alt on the server hosting this stuff you want to look at however. Just be aware that if stuff is illegal and it’s illegal in the jurisdiction the server is hosted in then it’s unlikely to last long.
If someone hosted a server out of Switzerland it wouldn’t be an issue.
I just created an account on lemm.ee - thanks for the info.
migrating accounts using LASIM
I did that too but for now i’ll just use both. 💁♂️
hey i have one of those too!
So can you talk about pirate-related stuff there? Is it all free and open or more of a wink-wink-nod-nod type of thing where you can’t talk about where pirate stuff comes from?
Based on their rules, they might ban content of that nature being talked about in their own communities. However they have a high bar for defederating from other instances. Even if piracy talk isn’t allowed on lemm.ee communities, they won’t defederate from communities that do allow it. This means you can still see it when browsing lemm.ee, but it’s hosted somewhere else.
What lemmy.world has done is make it so you can’t see anything from those piracy instances when browsing from Lemmy.world. lemm.ee will allow you to see almost anything besides truly disturbing and illegal stuff like porn of the underage variety.
You can talk pretty open, I am on the instance since day 1
Welcome!
One would think the devs would dedicate some time to fix this particular failing of Lemmy, because “download the entire internet of a site because one (1) user posts in one (1) community in one (1) server” is just ridiculous from a lot of standpoints, both technical and legal.
Did you mean “one (7)”?
Rule 1 is too vague.
No illegal content, including sharing copyrighted material without the explicit permission of the owner(s).
They can defederate with any instance with this rule. Why not just say “because we want to”?
Kind of a shitty move really
I don’t care about the piracy community but people are complaining about they having to create multiple accounts and saying Lemmy will never reach critical mass like this…
But why would we want to reach critical mass? I don’t want to sound like a gatekeeper but growing just for the sake of growing is never been good on anything.
Specially as Lemmy is still an alpha software. And people are still figuring out how is the better way to moderate ourselves instead of waiting to Big Corpo to do so.
This is part of being an early adopter. You give feedback, sometimes things don’t go your way, other they hear you out.
I’m loving the experience so far. The Fediverse still is not mature enough (we block fast) but we are still figuring things out.
Because most communities are desert lands. Niche communities can’t grow enough without lemmy going mainstream
The content is still on Reddit.
it’s unlikely for anything to be in a perfect balance, so if something doesn’t noticably grow, it’s likely that it’s shrinking
Well glad I had already started changing instances.
Wow fuck that.
I’m going to home on lemmy.today or lemmy.sdf.org.
I don’t think the SDF group will ever defederate or block communities, it’s all up to user preference.
To try and counter some of the stupidity in this comment section: There is nothing illegal about the piracy community and not even Reddit blocked it, the dbzer0 server has been one of the most civil and well managed around and this is a rediculess move!
Reddit has the money to fight a legal battle. Volunteers running a site off donations do not. They don’t want to take risks and that’s understandable
I guess so but there is no law to reasonably sue them with because nothing in those communities is illegal…
There is absolutely something illegal about copyright infringement. “It depends”, and there is content that is legal. But there is a lot that is illegal. Legality depends on the location of the user.
If I’m an American and I pirate a movie made by Warner brother’s, that illegal.
I know, I know. There’s a million reasons everyone feels entitled to break their local laws. That doesn’t change reality. Tell it to a lawyer and them have them convince the admins it’s a great idea.
Absolutely but teaching others to pirate isn’t, it’s illegal for a platform to host copyrighted content and it’s illegal to host direct links to contents, NOT links to sites that host links to content or even the content itself…
That’s not what the poster is talking about. Whether the piracy subreddit or the lemmy community, there are strict rules about sharing copyrighted content, asking for it or posting links to it. These communities are about discussing different technologies around BitTorrent, usenet or debrid and how to leverage them to share content.
All of the above can be used for perfectly legal reasons such as sharing Linux ISOs or public domain media.
If you use those to pirate copyrighted content that’s your decision.
Calling these communities illegal and blocking them is akin to schools not permitting students to use backpacks or lockers because they could be used to hide guns.
What the heck?
Seems like my backup account is about to be my main account after all LMAO.
Not legal reasons. They explicitly said it’s to protect lemmy.world users duh. Enjoy extra protection!
Time to make an alt account asap
Oh no, anyway. The community itself is still available for the adventurous.
Begun, the Lemmy Wars have.
Well, they can just open it on another instance. This is the beauty of Lemmy and the Fediverse.
Yeah, but we are not expected to deal with this kind of shit too soon and out of nowhere.
No need. Users can go to other instances and continue accessing it from there just fine.
Welp, time to find a new instance.
I just used that lasim tool and it worked perfectly.
To be fair, I don’t know where world is hosted by at least according to my local law here they’d be right: linking to piracy can get you in trouble.
Now usually you can safely ignore this still, sure. Unless you’re large. And with world being so big I could see them being the very first target someone would drag in front of a court if they are in a place where such laws exist. It sounds stupid, but I can understand why the devs would not want to go through that.
Welp, time to move to another instance
Or even better, self host so you don’t have to deal with admins doing shitty things
I was thinking of actually doing it, I do own a domain or two after all
While I generally have a positive view of digital piracy (digital archiving), this is ultimately going to happen to any social media site after it gets big enough, it should be seen as a good thing for Lemmy (growing pains). Either a site gets in trouble and/or shut down for opening itself up to piracy or it proactively bans piracy. Unless Lemmy gets full-time staff to actively moderate and keep an eye out for pirated content in a community dedicated to piracy. It probably couldn’t handle such controversial community that might bring the ire of the Entertainment Industrial Complex on them.
Digital Piracy will continue and we’ll likely see them spin up their own “Pirate Bay” instance somewhere else. Lemmy.world will almost certainly defederate from them, but they’ll be around to those that know where to look, just like pirated content in general.
This is already like that now, they had their own instance from the start.
Nah it’s a pretty decent website for the price we pay to use it. You can just start up your own site with blackjack and hookers and pirates if you want.
For trying to keep out of trouble by not associating with criminals? ha
Now now boy, watch out your words, LW is the best thing since sliced bread!
(Do I meed /s?)
Glad I host my own instance so I get to choose what I get to see.
That’s one way to tell people to switch instances before it’s too late. Thanks for making this public.
Nice. It was inevitable. A general lemmy instance needs to protect itself.
Looks like I need a 5th login.
Fact is, they have good reasons to. Lemmy likely was threatened by a larger industry that could’ve thrown millions of dollars around in a court to get Lemmy taken down. The guys running Lemmy wouldn’t have enough money to win a lawsuit, the website could easily be taken down by a larger entity. When it comes to losing the community or blocking a couple communities, it’s an easy choice. Funny how the Lemmy admins are being blamed for this, when it’s a choice between a couple communities or the whole site.
I guess the problem from an idealistic standpoint is fine, let them sue. Hosting an instance is not about being profitable. Do what you need to do as far as shell corporation and all that to protect your personal finances, or just close the instance instead of censoring.
Now, it’s just an instance that is perpetuating unfair systems of power, instance of helping to democratize the internet.
Reaction there: oh no…Anyway
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 year ago
techdirt.com/…/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run…
Always relevant, and will be for any large Lemmy server.
GonzoVeritas@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s the article that convinced me I didn’t want to run a Lemmy instance.