Submitted 2 months ago by ALilOff@lemmy.world to [deleted]
If you lived on a border of a country that speaks different languages how is it chosen what language you speak? If you lived on the border do you just learn both languages?
Or is it more if you lived even like 500 meters of a border do you learn the language of the country your in? Do people choose it based on nearest popular city to where they’re at?
You realize that speaking a language involves talking to another person, right?? So you speak what the interlocutor speaks in any given situation… and if both parties speak both equally well, then they generally speak a mix of both, based on whim or topic.
Language isn’t defined by borders. What people speak in an area is what they grew up speaking and have learned to speak.
This
I mean… Babies and small children don’t “choose” what language to learn, they just pick up whatever’s spoken regularly around them. So whatever their families and community speak, same as everyone else?
Speaking both seems like a great choice.
Most people who live at the border tend to speak both, specially if people cross the border everyday to work
I speak a little Spanish, but no Portuguese, and my time in Brazil right near the border with two Spanish speaking countries was a challenge, because most folks there didn’t speak Spanish despite the location.
Some folks do of course, but most people I encountered didn’t have any Spanish
I have zero idea how representative that is of other borders
I guess you visited Iguazú… we have kind of a funny situation there cause we tend to understand each other “pretty well” while still speaking our own languages. That has to do with how similar our languages (and cultures) are and with how cool and welcoming brasilian people is.
Yep, Iguazú. I likely felt it because my Spanish is not great, so even though I could make myself understood by Argentinians, the poor Brasilians stood no chance as I murdered Spanish in an attempt to communicate :)
On the colombian brazilian border they speak a mixture of portuguese and spanish called portuñol.
Why not spagutese?
They speak what their parents and neighbors speak. This is constant even when borders shift.
The formal language they conform to is the nearest administrative region, usually in the country controlling the town.
Or is it more if you lived even like 500 meters of a border do you learn the language of the country your in?
That tends to be how it’s done. States tend to be rather protective of their official language, and it’s generally impractical to send your children to school in a different country. Being proficient in the other country’s language is quite common, but to truly be bilingual you pretty much need to be some kind of ethnic or religious minority.
Depends heavily on which border, I think. I live in eastern Austria and don’t know any Czech, Slovak or Hungarian despite those countries being within an hour’s drive of where I live. For the most part I expect people in Austria to speak German, I don’t expect people even in border villages of Czechia, Slovakia or Hungary to speak German; if they do, that is a nice surprise.
Some years ago, in a border village in one of these countries, a child spoke to me in the local language; I tried speaking in German and English, but the child didn’t understand either, I could barely say “I don’t speak (your language)” in that language. Eventually I figured out he was trying to ask me how old I was, and I could show that on my fingers…
I don’t expect people even in border villages of Czechia, Slovakia or Hungary to speak German
German is actually a fairly popular foreign language in countries east of Germany: ec.europa.eu/eurostat/…/index.php?title=Foreign_l…
Though learning a second or third language in school is probably not quite what OP envisions here, and there’s a big difference between getting language lessons in school and actually being able to speak that language (shoutout to my Spanish lessons in school, you were pretty useless).
I guess their mother decides that
You learn what you have to and speak what is necessary at the time.
If you live in an area with a lot of minority language speakers, you should learn that minority language. If you are in a country that doesn’t speak your language, learn the local language as much as possible.
In the US for example: If you live in Southern Texas, you should know Spanish, but if you live in Fargo you probably don’t need to learn Spanish unless you work in an industry with a lot of native Spanish speakers and knowing Spanish will make things easier for everybody.
If you are fluent in a second language and you are talking with someone in your primary language, but it is their second language and they aren’t fluent, you should speak their language. Keep in mind that they may be wanting practice and may keep trying to speak their second language, take the hint and follow their lead. If both of you aren’t fluent in each other’s language, both of y’all struggle in both languages as needed to effectively communicate(This is honestly super fun).
There honestly is a big decision tree for multilingual areas like borders.
I live in Ottawa, ON, Canada which has Gatineau, Québec on the other side of the river. A lot of people here are bilingual and will just switch to whatever language works better for the person they’re talking to. The default language on the Québec side is French and the default on the Ontario side is English
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If you take the time to learn the languages spoken in your area, you multiply the opportunities that will come your way, socially, professionally, romantically, etc.
Whatever the majority of the people in the area are speaking. Another factor is which side of the border the community interacts with more. If say the city is technically closer to an urban area on the bordering country than it’s neighbor within its own country, then they likely interact more with the former so will speak that language more.
If you are Swiss, you just speak all the languages
solrize@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Such people are sometimes called Grenzemensch (border person). They grow up speaking multiple languages and don’t even realize til they’re older that the languages are different. They just think you have to talk to Uncle Fritz one way and Grandma Mireille a different way.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Love that German seems to have a word for everything. Neat.
Hupf@feddit.org 2 months ago
Yes we do have a word for everything: alles.