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  • Lyre@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You know how when you’re studying literature you’re generally supposed to assume that everything is intenional and there’s nothing just thrown in for no reason … Well when you read Joyce, it’s really really hard not to feel like he’s just doing things for the sake of being pretentious and obtuse.

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    • Klear@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He’s probably being pretentious and obtuse intentionally and for a reason.

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      • flicker@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Sometimes the reason is because the author is pretentious.

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    • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sometimes the curtains are just fucking blue.

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      • huginn@feddit.it ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        … But not when Joyce writes them. Don’t worry he’ll reference it again in 200 pages and if you haven’t figured out what theme they represent you’ll miss the fifth layer of context that actually inverts the meaning of the current paragraph.

        (Ok he’s not that obtuse but I wouldn’t ever use death of the author/blue curtains on Joyce)

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    • iagomago@feddit.it ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      never found Joyce to be pretentious (the man knew what he was doing, and definitely succeeded in doing so) or obtuse (I mean, how many writers you can think of that could pull out the mastery of language and human sensibility out of nowhere like he does). I might be biased because I believe Ulysses saved my life: it’s definitely one of the funniest, most touching, humane books I have ever had the pleasure to read. I’d push Ogre to keep up with the good work.

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      • Lyre@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The thing i always think about is that qoute from Virginia Wolfe where she likens the writing to a schoolboy doing stunts for the sake of getting attention. I remember thinking that was exactly how it felt while I was reading Ulysses, it felt like a highschool creative writer mashing things together without considering whether it was actually good or not.

        However im not going to sit here and pretend im an objective critic. The book is obviously famous and important for a reason. I’m interested to know how it saved your life, if you feel like sharing

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  • atmur@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want to give ogre a hug

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    • flicker@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m so sympathetic to this ogre.

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  • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He just needs one of these:

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    • Persen@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As far as I know iq 17 is terrible.

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      • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        10-12 is human average, so I’d say it’s not for the purposes of understanding the underlying themes of Ulysses or Finnegan’s Wake.

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      • Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        IQ only tests your ability to take standardized testS, it has no real ability to quantify intelligence. But in Fallout, intellect 17 is BALLER.

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  • pleb_maximus@feddit.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s game Ogre, man! Game Ogre!

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    • setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The allegories are coming out of the walls man.

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    • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s all ogre for him

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  • papalonian@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m gonna steal this ogre for an NPC.

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  • AquaTofana@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I read this in Grog’s voice and I high key love it. The idea of him describing “surface level themes such as nationalism” is hilarious.

    And the title comment is the icing on the cake.

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  • The_Lurker@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nobody understands Finnegan’s Wake.

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    • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Anything written as a drunken dare is going to be completely impenetreble.

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    • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Open any random page and start reading. Spiral time.

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  • TragicNotCute@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just switch to TV ogre. It’s twice as fast as books.

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah reading gets you through most stories way faster unless the movie/show leaves out lots of details.

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  • therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Skill issue Ogre, should have been born human

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  • ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    there’s an app for this now! AI rewrites text down to simpler language. Ogre can read Ulysses now.

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  • NostraDavid@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Source: BaalBuddy

    He’s pretty gooood!

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