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madjo@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• underwire212@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  American here. I understood most of what you said, except for the phrase “living wage”. Could you explain this to me? I’ve never heard of it before.

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  • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Oh man how I wish to tell you all about Belgium’s healthindex.

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  • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Livable wage, is that a better term for it?

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    • 11111one11111@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Cuz noone else pointed it out to you, the comment you responded to was sarcastic. It wasnt a language barrier thing.

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      • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Ah. I thought I had used the wrong term.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nah, all we have are poverty wages and billionaires here.

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• Aqarius@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Tipping is not already included in the price of the meal. Living wage is included in the price of the meal.

  That is the tip. In the US, “tipped” labor often has a reduced minimum wage, under the expectation that they make the difference up in tips.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yup, something like $2.50/hr, when federal minimum wage is ~$7.50. If a server doesn’t make minimum wage, the restaurant is required to step them up.

    It’s a stupid system IMO, because not leaving a tip is a giant slap in the face, when it really should just mean “you did just okay.” If the service is really that bad, I will complain and expect a comp or something on the bill, so the bill should reflect “good enough” service. I’d actually like to pay tips if it actually meant “fantastic service,” like putting up with my screaming children, convincing the cook to make something off-menu, or still providing good service when we’re not spending much (we don’t drink, and that’s like 50% of the bill). I’d prefer to tip based on the service, not on the size of the bill.

    Oh, and if we had such a system, not taxing tips would make a ton of sense since it’s pretty literally a gift.

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In the US, if you are never going to return to an establishment, why tip?

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    • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Because you care about other people?

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      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Why should I when their employers don’t?

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      • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        So tipping is for charity? Why should the wait staff get priority over the Tibetan koala sanctuary (or any other charity of your choice)?

        There are many more people in the world who deserve greater care than 1st world plate carriers.

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• kamen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  To add to that I’d say there’s no drama attached to not leaving a tip.

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  • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Totally, waiters don’t expect a tip at all. So if it’s given, it’s appreciated even more.

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• zakobjoa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  My guy/gal/pal.

  We do things differently in different parts of Europe.

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  • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You’re right, I made the same mistake as OP. There is no “European system of tipping”.

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  • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Pittsburgh has the slang term “Yinz” which is used like “y’all” and I’ve taken to using the singular “yin” for a gender neutral replacement for “guy” in the phrase “my guy”, because “my yin” still carries that condescending tone that’s vital (to me, anyways). Not telling you what to say or anything just fun to come across some grappling with the same language problem

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• ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Well, a lot of restaurants add a few percent tip to large parties in my experience (and some try to start that shit for tables of 4).

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• SuspiciousCatThing@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  But that means if I don’t tip they’ll think I thought the service wasn’t excellent :(

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In the US, sure. But in Europe, a tip isn’t expected, so any tip you give means “better than average service.” As in, what tips should’ve been all along.

    I have no problem giving tips, I have a problem with tips being expected.

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    • nomen_dubium@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      someone once told me tips where invented to skip the queue at the bar… and apparenty its also some witty acronym for that as well (the brits supposedly invented the concept and they famously like to play with their words)

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      • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Ensure would be the right word here, but tep doesn’t sound as nice

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• foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  i you mean it, tip 10-15% of the bill! (often the “living wage” is still precarious.)

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