Lightyears measure distance, not time.
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Admetus@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
I know we’d all like some scientific actualisation of Star Wars but I mean:
- They made noise in space 'cause that’s fun.
- There was always gravity on pretty much any ship.
- I don’t really recall any spacewalks so we don’t see any instance of 'no gravity’
- There’s hyperspace since lightyears is a bit of a long time.
- Stormtroopers seem very scientifically and inefficiently accurate
At this point I think the Star Wars movies (the oldies) pretty much ignored a fair bit of the science.
But if it was a death star literally put there in our universe, I think there would be a bit of structural considerations for gravity, but not huge due to it being quite hollow. Gravity is pretty strong when the sphere is entirely comprised of dense rock and no air. A mostly hollow sphere of air where air is something close to 1/1000 that of rock (yes, used the density of water lol) is not going to get much of a rollicking from gravity.
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
DarkenLM@kbin.earth 1 month ago
Quantum Physics joined the chat
When time is measured in meters you know you're in for one hell of a ride.
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
And parsecs measure distance, not time, and yet here we are.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
That’s been explained.
Cube6392@beehaw.org 1 month ago
I hate that retcon. Let Han Solo be a sleazy piece of shit conman. Stop trying to make his lies real via retains. Don’t make him shoot in retaliation. In the original edit he has an arc. He goes from sleazy piece of shit to respected rebellion leader. Almost like he was a metaphor for how a lot of insurgents have backgrounds as pieces of shit. Now the cannon has him as a squeaky clean guy always doing the right thing even when sometimes he doesn’t realize he’s doing the right thing
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
okay guy-on-the-way-to-Brock
wildcardology@lemmy.world 1 month ago
One of my gripes with star wars is a pilot can fly any ship from any faction without prior flight experience on that ship. They just go in flip some switches, push some buttons then jumps into the pilot seat and off they go.
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s one of the many things Andor gets right, at least with that shuttle they steal near the start of the series. Cassian basically chews his crew out for planning to just jump into an unfamiliar ship and wing it.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I fucking love Andor
wildcardology@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s why it really bugged me that the resistance just gave Luke an X-Wing.
shutz@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
My headcannon for this is that spaceships in that universe are to those people what cars are to us. If you know the basics of driving a car, you can drive most cars, though the bigger ships might get more complicated (I’ve never seen one of our heroes try to back up a star destroyer into a starbase to help with their buddy’s move.)
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Yeah but that’s no problem. We used to fly all sorts of ships with xbox controllers back in the day.
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
There’s plenty of spacewalks in Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. They don’t have gravity there and instead have to use thrusters or magnetized boots.
someguy3@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Good call on it being mostly air.
FYI for soil air is ~1/2000 the density.
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Thanks, I believe I was being lazy to not want to deal with averaging the density of various rocks, but your suggestion about the density of soil is a good one.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There was always gravity on pretty much any ship
And if the ship got damaged where the nose started falling (downward?) the gravity would shift towards the nose so that everyone went sliding across the floor.
MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
That only happened near planets.
Star Wars ships don’t orbit. They simply hang in the sky, in much the same way that bricks don’t. In Star Trek ships orbit to save on fuel costs while parked near a planet. But in Star Wars antigravity is so cheap that it’s more efficient to be stationary relative to the planet’s surface. Which means no microgravity.
Redfox8@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Spoilsport! But like you say this is fiction, and entertainment, it is a fantasy world! :)
But yeah, the last one bugs me in soo many films and tv shows. They have super advanced AI robots tech, they can regrow a hand in a day, no more disease and live 257, transport living moving organisations across great distances, have developed telepaths and telekinetics, and can fold space-time, but are fucked if they can shoot straighter than a drunk badger with one ‘arm’, balancing on a log going down a rapids!
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, the fact that we already have the technology to make a gun that handles the aiming for you… and we aren’t even shooting light, which would be even easier to auto aim. Fights should be super short and boring, one shot, one kill… 20 shots, 20 kills. There would be no action heroes because very few people would ever live through more than a handful of fights. The heroes would be the beurocrats, so we’d have to spend alot more time watching them.
Sounding like they made the right choice.
zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
They shoot plasma, not lasers. Think Halo alien weapons.
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ah fair, not quite as easy as re-aiming light accurately then, but probably still easier than solid metal.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Guns shouid make fights super boring. Literally just kill anyone you’ve got line of sight to.
But instead, they make fights more interesting, because now cover is a thing and it’s all angles.
I’m sure there will be something interesting about laser vs laser wars that we can’t even imagine now (unless we quit being pussies and start putting realistic robot capabilities into video games).
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This is just my head canon, but the noise actually comes from speakers on board the ship /in the cockpit, to help give the pilot an audio cue as to where hazards are around them.
sawdustprophet@midwest.social 1 month ago
This is just my head canon, but the noise actually comes from speakers on board the ship /in the cockpit
I’m pretty sure this was explicitly addressed in at least one of the pre-Disney novels, and was somewhat entrenched with a part of the fanbase afterward.
Sordid@beehaw.org 1 month ago
I don’t really recall any spacewalks so we don’t see any instance of ‘no gravity’
Leia did one in the sequels.
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
I don’t deny the star wars universe is getting a bit more of an update in the cinemas, especially post-Interstellar and whatnot, but space opera in the 80s was really intent on ignoring the stark reality of space for both constraints of filming and viewership. Goddamn fun though.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Spacewalks are a bad example anyway. A ship’s artificial gravity could extend outside its hull. Conversely, the lack of spacewalks doesn’t mean we aren’t shown the absence of gravity, since we see the ships themselves maneuvering in a way that suggests a lack of gravity.
Gravity in SW is still kind of fucked, but not “gravity in deep space” fucked.
frezik@midwest.social 1 month ago
These guys are supposedly in a vacuum in the first DS:
…fandom.com/…/Zero-G_assault_stormtrooper?file=A_…
There’s a whole Legends thing for Spacetroopers. They exist in new canon, too, but pretty much just the guys above.
itsnotits@lemmy.world 1 month ago
the sphere entirely comprises* dense rock
or
the sphere is entirely composed* of dense rock
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
I thought you might be correcting me so I checked up the definition. Both are okay?
‘Composed of’ is a better sounding phrasing though.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 month ago
itsnotits said “X or Y” because both X and Y are correct.
You mixed the two by writing “is comprised of”
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Oh got it, thank you!
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I think the animated shows had a few more space realistic moments like space walk repairs and such.
Best battle scene in the whole series from clever tactics PoV IMO was Anakin deploying his artillery into a planetary ring system and then using his capital ship to bait Greivous into a pin between the ring mounted tanks and the capital ship.
Best battle overall is obviously the siege of Mandalore just for the absolute knockdown drag out chaos in the middle of a domed city megastructure that’s probably meant to be a seed for an eventual ecumenopolis.
kautau@lemmy.world 1 month ago
bazus1@lemmy.world 1 month ago
in The Last Jedi, Leia gets blasted into hard space and experiences weightlessness.
zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 1 month ago
And then it really gets accurate.
SSJMarx@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Leia, a part time space wizard, uses her space magic to move through space. TBH I’ve never understood why people cried foul at that scene.
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because it looked silly. That is all.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Because they can believe space wizards but the idea of a twin sister of one of the most powerful space wizards in the canon being able to also learn space wizard shit over the course of several intervening decades breaks their incel brains.
Same reason why Holdo caught shit for not telling Poe anything while my Navy friends were all relieved to find out she wasn’t the kind of ship commander who would actually fucking execute you and dump your body in the drink for the level of blatant insubordination that idiot was pulling just in front of her face nevermind scheming behind her back with Finn and Rey to undermine her plans, and also to accuse her of being the traitor and arranging a kangaroo court mutinee basically acting as a thin veneer for him to shoot her in the face under color of “law” for having the gall to actually treat him like the insubordinate demoted twit he was.
MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Because she’s a girl and girls can’t be wizards.
Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Her forve manipulation skills were basically never mentioned before that point. People had more than enough of characters pulling force skill out of nowhere by that point.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It’s the surviving the vacuum without her eyes bugging out that people don’t like.
BlitzFitz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wasn’t there a space fight with horses on the wing of a star destroyer in the rise of Skywalker?
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Yes, I’m pretty sure either a hobbyist equestrian or a full on equestrian’s parent was on the sequel trilogy’s rollover staff, for two separate sequences to feature space horses coming to the rescue.
Also, low-key bummed that we didn’t get Finding Your Roots with Lando Calrissian and totally not just gender flipped Finn but aged slightly and in charge of a bunch of other horse girl deserted storm troopers.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Lol yes but that was within a planetary gravity well
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Don’t make excuses for the sequels.
PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 1 month ago
They specifically noted they were talking about the old movies. Or didn’t you get that far before you needed to “correct” them?
ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I seem to recall one instance that may portray the lack of gravity. When Darth Vader gets shot and goes spinning off. That’s about it.
PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Good catch, I think you’re right
SSJMarx@lemm.ee 1 month ago
He doesn’t get shot, one of his wingmen gets shot and then his other wingman crashes into him.