People can still leverage him to stop supporting Israel’s genocide in Palestine. He just has to stop sending the aid and he will have a cakewalk to a second term.
Why are you so opposed to people participating in democracy?
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CyberDine@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Biden didn’t ask Trump to sell National Security secrets to the Russians.
Biden didn’t ask Putin to trade those secrets to Iran.
Biden didn’t ask Iran to use said secrets and launch an attack on Israel to start a war that the U.S. would be forced to support in order to take away resources and attention from Putin’s war in Ukraine.
But Biden IS a Zionist.
You can criticize him for his support of Palestinian genocide, and rightly so. But you would be sadly mistaken if you withhold your vote for Biden and allow a Trump Presidency, who would not only continue the Palestinian genocide, but allow a Ukrainian one and a Taiwanese one as well… And perhaps fully and finally bring Totalitarianism to the U.S. since why not, he made it so close on January 6th anyways.
BakerBagel@midwest.social 6 months ago
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 months ago
There are a lot of people who are in favour of sending aid to Israel as well. Biden can’t afford to piss off either group too much. But he does know that if Trump gets elected, one of those groups gets the opposite of what they want. So he’s naturally banking on that group of people still picking him over the alternative.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Problem, the percentages supporting aid to Israel continue to drop every time the UN drops an article about mass execution graves in Gaza and AP drops an article about former state department officials saying Israel gets special treatment under the Leahy Law. Going all in on a sinking ship like that is one great way to lose an election.
Melkath@kbin.social 6 months ago
"I agree. He supports genocide. You should vote for him."
You are the problem.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
You’re conflating voting for someone with “agreeing with” them.
That’s not how democracy works.
You don’t “not vote” for all the candidates you don’t agree with. You do vote for the one that most closely aligns with your values. If you fail to do so, you’ll get the candidate who does not align with your values at all.
Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Democracy is you voting for my guy /$
Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My entire life the Democratic party has been like a ship setting out to sail. I’m standing on the shore and they keep getting farther and farther away. At some point you can’t keep voting for it.
VubDapple@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Nuanced thinking is the problem? Nope. Black and white thinking is the problem. Like the black and white thinking you are displaying here, by refusing to parse any policy decisions beyond “he supports genocide”. If you can’t distinguish between the greater and the lesser evil you’ll end up inadvertently supporting the greater evil.
sudo@programming.dev 6 months ago
But the thing is saying “Joe Biden is committing genocide” actively harms your own aims of electing Joe Biden, regardless of whatever your argument is.
So the only rational decision is to stfu about it or start doing genocide apology or denial.
Or you can have a moral spine I guess.
mister_monster@monero.town 6 months ago
I think the point these people are making here is that they’d like to not support evil at all and “but the other guy is worse” is the entirety of the fucking problem.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What other option that actually has a chance of winning is there? Last I saw, it was either going to be Biden or Trump on the ballot come November. So do you support indirect genocide that can be curbed, or do you support full throated fascistic genocide?
And remember, inaction is a choice, and that choice inevitably favors the republican candidate. So again, which do you choose? Can you justify not playing electoral politics when we end up with that fucking fascist asshole back in the whitehouse? Cuz I’m sure Israel is gonna turn it up to 11 once they know they’ve got full cover from Donald (“Stop releasing footage of you murdering people, this is really bad optics”)[apnews.com/…/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21…] Trump.
Melkath@kbin.social 6 months ago
When the options are fascism and genocide or fascism and genocide there is no "winning".
You abstain and don't contribute to the ethos of either agenda.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You abstain and
don’tcontribute to the ethosof eitherthe worse agendaFTFY. One party doesn’t want you to vote because you’re likely more against them than the other option.
Voter suppression is the right’s bread and butter, don’t be naive and think you’re not doing exactly what they want by staying home.
Krono@lemmy.today 6 months ago
What makes you think a vote for Biden is voting for genocide that “can be curbed”?
Every statement and action from the Biden admin, even the meme we are commenting on, shows that Biden is unwilling to curb the genocide.
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Trump tells Israel to “finish the job” in gaza, while Russian operatives try to convince you Biden is the worse choice
shikitohno@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Which Iranian attack is this that’s supposed to have started a war to drag in the US? Their most recent attack on Israeli targets was in response to Israel attacking them in a third country, and Israel has been trying to provoke them into a response that would kick off a war the US would get involved with to draw attention from their ongoing genocide in Gaza.
Aedis@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The attacks by Iranian backed Hamas against Israel. Sources: www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/…/72405584007/ en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Iranian_support_for_Hamas www.cnn.com/…/h_8c4e2392d4398a8af723e09392db4494
shikitohno@lemm.ee 6 months ago
If you’re going to say Hamas’ attack was an attempt to draw the US into a war, I think that falls a bit flat. When was the last time the US did anything beyond provide the same sort of aid it currently gives Israel? Especially in light of Iran not giving into Israel’s provocation to attempt kick up a regional conflict that would draw the US in, I think this accusations is lacking.
If they wanted to draw the US into the conflict, why would they just push for one large attack and then just let Israel steamroll Palestinian territories while demonstrating they can get on with things just fine without the US doing anything but provide the same sort of weapons aid they always have? Why not take the bait with the most recent provocation?
Besides, even Israeli publications admit that it has been Israeli policy to prop up Hamas, so this smacks even more of propaganda efforts to distract from Israel’s culpability in creating this situation.
Yes, Iran has provided backing to many of these sorts of groups, but they’re hardly unique in this in the region. Why is trying to kick up a regional conflict when Iran does this, but Israel gets a pass on buying oil from ISIS and aggravating the situation there? Heck, Israel’s past actions in Lebanon helped kick off the founding of Hezbollah when they overstepped what they could get away with under the pretense of chasing Palestinian forces over the border.
The truth is necessary to arrive at a sound opinion, and Iran are no angels, but there’s far too much handwaving away of Israel’s role in creating the current situation while demonizing Iran with exaggerated capabilities.
mister_monster@monero.town 6 months ago
“Don’t mind what we do because the other guy is scarier”
That sham will work up to a point.
doingthestuff@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tell me more about why I should vote for whoever is controlling that senile figurehead.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 months ago
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