To be fair, the “You can’t get married” issue happened seven hundred years later under Gregory the Seventh, and at the time, the other patriarchs who remained following the rise of Islam thought the Archbishop of Rome, the Pope, was nuts too. Which is why Coptic and Greek Orthodox priests can marry, along with Protestant priests. All arguing “Christ never said you needed to absolutely forgoe sex, that was Paul and Peter.”
Comment on .🤨.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Official explanation: The Holy Spirit narrated to the author. This can be quite removed, some books were written many years after the event, some were passed down. Then the Council of Nicea went through all of these tales and said “This is real, we can tell, were putting this in the Bible.”
They also resolved a pressing issue for the new church. “Stop cutting off your balls, this is a metaphor, not literal instructions. Even though He said that they were instructions, that was also a metaphor.”
You probably think I’m joking… but sadly, no.
scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 51 minutes ago
“This great synod absolutely forbids a bishop, presbyter, deacon or any of the clergy to keep a woman who has been brought in to live with him, with the exception of course of his mother or sister or aunt, or of any person who is above suspicion.”
This is what I was referring to, from the First Council of Nicaea.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 1 day ago
Some of the other writings that didn’t make the cut for the canonical bible are wild.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
there’s a whole section of the library called fiction
it’s going to blow your mind
neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Flagging for best-of-lemmy
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Well, he didn’t say you can’t rape little boys…
jim_v@lemmy.world 1 day ago
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
My fucking sides. What is this from?
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
No, that’s death penalty!
Oh, wait, it says “man”, can’t lay with a “man”, not boy. Hmm. Best to ask for forgiveness just to cover your ass.
It’s certainly okay to murder a boy if he has been disrespectful or disobedient. (Please note that this is not my personal view, this is Biblical, I didn’t write it please don’t call ICE on me).
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. ~Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Beatings are also fine from a Bible perspective, but not too much… but don’t spare the rod (Proverbs 13:24)! Read your Bible for further details (I recommend King James 1611).
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“Oh, just one more thing… you can’t get married. No, He didn’t say that, but we’re inspired by the Magic Bird, so mote it be.”
Didn’t that one come later because certain members of the clergy were having kids and functionally turning their positions into hereditary fiefdoms?
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
This great synod absolutely forbids a bishop, presbyter, deacon or any of the clergy to keep a woman who has been brought in to live with him, with the exception of course of his mother or sister or aunt, or of any person who is above suspicion.
This is what i was referring to, but it may have been a later council? I am finding conflicting claims
HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
IiRC it was more so that the Church got actual fiefdoms and wanted control so that potential priestly families wouldn’t just distance themselves into secular noble houses, taking lands with them.
Fiefdoms and related duties originated from kings, so the church wanted similar parallel rights over their vassal priests.
ceiphas@feddit.org 1 day ago
The celibate came in the middle ages and wasnt a law before the begin of the 20th century
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 42 minutes ago
This great synod absolutely forbids a bishop, presbyter, deacon or any of the clergy to keep a woman who has been brought in to live with him, with the exception of course of his mother or sister or aunt, or of any person who is above suspicion.
This is what I was referring to.
… and celibacy has been part of Christianity for longer than it has been called Christianity… including forced celibacy through castration.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
The celibate came
I guess they’re no longer celibate then…
ImWaitingForRetcons@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
The Council of Nicaea did not decide the books of the canon, it decided on whether Jesus was equal to God or not…
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 47 minutes ago
It decided many things other than “Jesus was equal to God or not.”
You should read about it!
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
I read this in the voice of Bill Wurtz, jingles included.
Someone could make a religion out of this.
M137@lemmy.today 16 hours ago
“This can be quite removed”
What? I’m not sober so it’s very possible I’m just bring stupid and not understanding the words, they just make no sense to me at the moment and I can’t figure out what you were trying to write (in the case of me not being dumb right now).
historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
“Quite removed” in terms of time.
It means that the church failed to destroy records about how the stuff they peddle wasn’t written anywhere near the events they supposedly describe. You’re supposed to spend years studying the book upon threat of physical violence or death until you reach a point where you’re too invested in the mythos to bother questioning it. You’re supposed to NOT study all the figures that we have written records of that predate the jesus myth:
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Wait what? Really? I mean I figured. Just…it was basically like that?
tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
FYI, the council of Nicea had nothing to do with biblical canon. That’s a common misconception.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Feel free to correct me with any source! I am interested.
tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 20 hours ago
If you read through the list of canons you linked, none of them mentions a list of books that are to be considered part of the bible. The “canons” listed are basically just rules about different things in the church and were put in place to address splits that were forming as the church grew. The books of the bible were not in any way decided at Nicaea.
tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 20 hours ago
If you would like to read more and/or correct me on anything, I’m pulling from www.britannica.com/…/First-Council-of-Nicaea-325 and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
tomi000@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You mean the four authors who all wrote the same story but slightly different?
Holy spirit talking to people must have been common back then. Strange how it just stopped.
spankysalmon@fedinsfw.app 1 day ago
It didn’t stop, we just understand it as psychosis these days.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Oh, it hasn’t stopped, friend.
Go to any Assembly of God church on Sunday; they are inspired my the Holy Spirit, and speak in tongues! Holy Spirit talks to all who will listen.
The Bible teaches that when you accept Christ, the Holy Spirit infuses you with magical wisdom and intellect. This is why you can be sure that your thoughts are legitimate and righteous.