Candice Owens has suggested that various powers that be played a role in Kirkās assassination, particularly for speaking out against Israel.
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realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip āØ17ā© āØhoursā© ago
Iām trying to wrap my head around that statement but I canāt come with any explanation why that should be the case.
Poxlox@lemmy.world āØ17ā© āØhoursā© ago
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com āØ16ā© āØhoursā© ago
Candace thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
Frankly, I donāt actually think thatās totally impossible, though its far from proven.
However, if you know anything about guns or ballisticsā¦ the scenario that has thus far been presented by the FBI as to the kind of weapon that shot Kirk and the angle and distance he was shot fromā¦
Its completely impossible, and does not align with the evidence on the scene.
If Kirk had been shot from basically the front, by a 30.06, in the neck, it would have blown half of his neck off, there would have been a massive back blast of viscera behind him.
What the actual wounds from the autopsy point toward is that roughly a 5.56 round from Kirkās above and right, entered his neck on the right side, traversed around and through various parts of his neck, untill it ended up severing the corotid artery on his right side and lodging itself into his left collar bone.
That bullet trajectory actually matches the specific injuries from the autopsy, and the video evidence.
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards awayā¦ would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a mooseā¦ thereās an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
You can run all the math on the physics of this yourself if you doubt it. Iāve already done it, search through my comment history if you want to see it.
brian@lemmy.ca āØ15ā© āØhoursā© ago
while I sorta doubt you did the āmath on the physicsā, my bigger worry is referring to .30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesnāt exist, as far as Iām aware.
but stating, factually, that there is āzero chanceā of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible. there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com āØ14ā© āØhoursā© ago
while I sorta doubt you did the āmath on the physicsā
As I said, look through my comment history.
.30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesnāt exist, as far as Iām aware.
Oh my god, I made a formatting typo, therefore I am wrong.
but stating, factually, that there is āzero chanceā of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible.
Not it isnāt, because I am correct, about a 30 awktua 06, from the range it was fired from, impacting Kirk at the angle it did.
You must I guess not be aware or how the intial reports from before the autopsy was fully done/released were that Charlie Kirk must have just had literally superhuman bone strength.
totalprosports.com/ā¦/surgeon-makes-miracle-claim-ā¦
Kolvet claimed a doctor told him Kirkās āincredibly dense boneā stopped a high-powered round that entered his neck during the September 10 shooting at Utah Valley University.
āIt was an absolute miracle that someone else didnāt get killed. It should have gone through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too,ā Kolvet quoted the surgeon as saying. Instead, the bullet lodged beneath the skin. He added that Kirkās body prevented it from striking people standing behind him.
āEven in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him,ā Kolvet wrote.
This is, as we say, fucking obvious horseshit.
You of course donāt know about this, because you have not done any research into the actual Kirk assassination whatsoever.
There are many, many more things that involved people said, elements of the supposed story of how Kirk got gotā¦ that do line up, that do not make sense, that are inconsistent.
Iām not confident enough to say āIsrael killed Kirkā because I have not yet seen conclusive evidence of that.
But I am confident enough to say that the official FBI story is full of obvious holes, say what I said about the 30000000.6, that this all stinks to high heaven.
there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
You could go look through my comment history to see doing that, or, you can just assume I didnāt.
Iāve designed entire realistic ballistic physics models for games and mods, Iāve shot firearms, Iām one of the ārealism puristsā when it comes to tactical shooters.
Iāve made ballistic models that will figure out likely penetration/ricochet/splatter apart impact angles, when a bullet of various speeds and itself being made of different materials, in different configurations (FMJ, HP, etc), impacts against different materials, which are themselves layered volumetrically.
You donāt need anywhere near that level of real world physical fidelity to be able to confidently state what I stated. Its rather trivial.
NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com āØ14ā© āØhoursā© ago
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a mooseā¦ thereās an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
I meanā¦not to be THAT GUY but this line alone is pretty off. Depends on may factors like any other round, but 5.56 has 1/2-2/3 the energy of a 30-06 round at about 200yd. Ballistic data is pretty easy to come by. Saying that youāve programmed some stuff for a few games and simulated models doesnāt mean anything at all when your scientific measurement is an imaginary moose femur at 500yds.
Anywayā¦they have a shooter and his rifle, so I donāt even know why weāre still discussing caliber.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world āØ14ā© āØhoursā© ago
Iāve designed entire realistic ballistic physics models for games and mods,
Thatās so cool. Which ones?
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world āØ13ā© āØhoursā© ago
I skimmed your content history and donāt see any math there. If youāre going to make such claims, show your work.
TheOctonaut@piefed.zip āØ12ā© āØhoursā© ago
Holy shit itās one of those guys, the āI did my researchā guys. I never get to see them these days. Amazing. Imagine this energy used for something like painting miniatures instead
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca āØ14ā© āØhoursā© ago
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards away, from the frontā¦ would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a mooseā¦ thereās an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
So, knowing nothing about 5.56 rounds but having shot a .30-06 at moose/deer/elk: in the 100-200 yard range the bullet will break a rib, travel through the lungs/heart/etc and then often exit the other side on a smaller animal (deer), or be sitting just inside the hide of a larger one (elk/moose).
I have no opinions on the rest of it thatās just been my experience.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com āØ13ā© āØhoursā© ago
Sorry I should have clarified that I meant that at the range of the Kirk shot, roughly 150 yards, a 30.06 has approximately an order or magnitude more kinetic emergy than a 5.56.
Roughly 900 ft-lbs vs roughly 2150 ft-lbs.
Thats another 0, aka, another order of magnitude.
Cargon@lemmy.ml āØ11ā© āØhoursā© ago
I mean, if right wingers wanted Charlie Kirk dead, who am I to complain?
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works āØ6ā© āØhoursā© ago
Because itās more proof Israel is infiltrating and extorting the US government.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world āØ15ā© āØhoursā© ago
I mean, we can distrust both. Iām not clear on what you think happened. Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer? In any case what is the motivation for lying about the weapon usedā¦?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com āØ14ā© āØhoursā© ago
Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer?
Correct.
I think he was/is a patsy.
I think he did take a weapon, on that day, to the spot he was atā¦ but he cannot have fired the shot that hit Kirk, from that location, with a 30.06.
Alsoā¦ there is inconsistency about the entire timeline of where he was when, what he did with the weapon, and even what weapon we are even talking about.
youtube.com/watch?v=Trp2oAltsj0
Did heā¦ dissassemble it, and then reassemble it, and then go to the location, and then disassemble it, run and jump off the roof, and then reassemble it, and then hide it?
That doesnāt make sense.
The FBI said that he wrapped up the gun in a towel or blanket, and hid it and planned to retrieve it later.
But ā¦ the picture of the supposed recovered firearm ā¦ is not wrapped in anything, its ā¦ in a cardboard box.
The optic is mounted so poorly that it would probably be an overall detriment to making the shot it supposedly made.
So did heā¦ hastily reassemble a weapon he intended to hide, poorly, for some reason?
And did he wrap it up, or put it in a box?
Theres also a ā¦ lot of doubt that the correspondence between the shooter/patsy and his āboyfriendā, from the day itself is actually real, it uses highly unrealistic language.
Youāve got the weird older crazy guy who loudly announced he was the shooter, butā¦ he wasnāt.
But he also said the point of him doing that was to allow the actual shooter to escape.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20e1jx0p5jo
A 71-year-old man who was briefly detained moments after the assassination of Charlie Kirk tried to help the suspected gunman escape by faking a confession, authorities say.
Utah County Sheriff Michael Smith said George Zinn admitted to police that he had āyelled that he was the shooter to allow the actual suspect to fleeā.
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Mr Zinn āintentionally yelled he was the shooter and by doing so, obstructed Law Enforcement from focusing on the actual shooterā, the sheriff said in a statement.
Court documents filed by campus police allege that Mr Zinn began shouting: āI shot him - now shoot me.ā
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Mr Zinn is well known among organisers of public events in Salt Lake City, the New York Times reported. āHe showed up frequently to public forums with the intention to disrupt the event or question a high-profile speaker,ā it said.
He also has a long history of minor crimes, including an arrest in 2013 for sending a threatening email to the hosts of the Salt Lake City Marathon just days after the Boston Marathon bombing, the newspaper wrote.
I mean, I canāt prove this, but if there ever was a plant, a paid agitator, a ācrisis actorāā¦ this is what it would look like.
I think the kid genuinely did plan and intend to kill Kirkā¦ and that other people knew about this, and essentially shadowed him.
Palantir? Discord?
Oh, yeah, turns out all that shitās monitored and catalogued in real time.
So, shadow the kid with a crew.
If the kid was gonna do it, great, he did it, mission accomplished.
If not, well, shooter 2 will pull the trigger if patsy wusses out, and then patsy takes the blame.
And I think scenario 2 is what happened there.
Who all, specifically, is involved in scenario 2?
Well, I donāt know all the exact names, but Kash Patel is one of them, you know, Captain Coverup, some of the others would have to be close to Kirk.
All of this, this is all speculation.
As I said, I know what a gun can and canāt do, the rest of this is a fucking mess.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip āØ13ā© āØhoursā© ago
Wait so heās a patsy
But he also killed him
They just went the extra mile to change the rifle (and angle)?
JoeMontayna@lemmy.ml āØ12ā© āØhoursā© ago
Whatever happened to the theory that it hit his body armor first and deflected up into his neck? I havenāt looked into this in awhile, but recall seeing a video that looked like that is what happened. That would explain the loss in velocity.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com āØ12ā© āØhoursā© ago
He was not wearing body armor.
To cause a straight-on shot from a 30.06 or a 5.56 from 150 yards to deflect, at that extreme of an angle, into his neck, externally, he would have had to be wearing plate armor.
Plate armor carriers are quite bulky and noticable.
They would be obviously visible, under a form fitting T Shirt.
There are tons of pics and video of Kirk that day, bending in different directionsā¦ at no point does he appear to be wearing a plate carrier under his shirt.
Kevlar or a more flexible kind of armor would not have deflected such a straight-on shot, it would have ācaughtā it, or just slowed it down and spread some of the impact energy over the rest of his chest, while ultimately failing to stop the bullet from penetrating into him.
Either a straight-on shot to kevlar or plate would have caused brusing and/or fractures to his chest, whether the scenario is deflection or penetration.
Those were not indicated by the autopsy.
If he had been wearing body armor, been shot from the front, and the bullet then ricocheted into his neckā¦
The shirt would have a hole or tear of some kind where the initial impact happened.
It does not.
He had a backup lapel mic on his right pectoral, which was magnetically attached under his shirt, which then had a wire going across his chest, to a powerbank/transciever on his left side.
aap.com.au/ā¦/viral-conspiracy-theory-about-charliā¦
The deformation of his shirt was a result of the impact of the round hitting him, causing him to jolt, which knocking off the earpiece, which tugged on the wire under his shirt.
Kirk wearing the lapel mic at another event:
The visible backup lapel mic on his right pec, immediately prior to being shot:
Syndication@lemmy.today āØ17ā© āØhoursā© ago
Mental illness can cause you to have irrational thoughts.
dumbass@piefed.social āØ17ā© āØhoursā© ago
Sly way of saying that Israel killed Kirk, who knows with Israel, could be true.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today āØ16ā© āØhoursā© ago
Israelās big reveal is going to be that they did in fact send an agent to the western hemisphere hundreds of years ago just to bury some golden tablets in upstate New York and will be activating the entirety of Deseret with the phrase āHie to Kolobā.
andros_rex@lemmy.world āØ12ā© āØhoursā© ago
Would the ālaw of returnā apply to Lamanites?
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today āØ8ā© āØhoursā© ago
Begrudgingly, if theyāre down for the cause. The rule that only those who āreturnā from exile in Northern Europe get to hold positions of power still applies.
butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social āØ17ā© āØhoursā© ago
Knowing how conspiratorial and antisemitic (as opposed to rightfully antizionist) she is, Iām going to assume sheās implying that THE (((JEWS)))ā¢ļø assassinated Kirk and then went to war with Iran with us as their meat puppet ally.
bizarroland@lemmy.world āØ15ā© āØhoursā© ago
I feel like itās the kind of shit that a bunch of drunken college kids would do as a prank.
Like theyāre all standing around laughing at the people that are actually believing this shit and laughing even more at the people that get upset.
Marthirial@lemmy.world āØ16ā© āØhoursā© ago
Thatās because you donāt have a MAGA in your brain.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social āØ13ā© āØhoursā© ago
Yeah, normally I can at least understand what theyāre trying to say, but here I justā¦ I donāt know anymore š
homes@piefed.world āØ17ā© āØhoursā© ago
Because itās absurd nonsense