Comment on spoopy figs

blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Most vegans do. The general idea is to avoid exploiting animals, but the wasps are living out their natural life cycle.

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• tidderuuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Vegans eat other foods that use fertilizer. Fertilizers could contain meat or meat byproducts… So…

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  • username_1@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Fertilizers could contain meat

    Can you provide an example? Sounds strange. Too expensive.

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    • breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      cow is made of meat.

      cow eats grass.

      cow has a shit.

      said shit is collected to form manure.

      this manure is an animal byproduct which the animal did not consent to you taking.

      Same as bees and honey.

      Im not vegan but thats what a vegan explained to me

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      • aeiou@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        also: bone and blood meal

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      • blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Consent is needed to pick up animal shit now??

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      • username_1@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Ok, evil humans extort shit from the cows without their consent. I never thought that vegans are that crazy.

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      • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Do we have any theories as to what the cows were going to do with it?

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      • SparroHawc@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The fact that some vegans think honey is exploitative really says a lot about their lack of knowledge.

        They DO know that if bees don’t like a place, they’ll just … leave, right?

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    • tidderuuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You want me to provide examples of fertilizer? Sorry I’m not into shitposting.

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      • FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Get off the internet and get back to work, Dad.

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    • allywilson@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      2nd paragraph: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilizer

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      • username_1@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        However, starting in the 19th century…

        Hasn’t XIX century started in your region yet? :)

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  • BillyClark@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think I heard recently that one of the mushrooms that is popular as a vegan meat substitute lives off of some sort of living creature like insects or something.

    But realistically, it’s all the circle of life. Animal life is part of the circle. Probably all plants have consumed nutrients that came from an animal in some way.

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• affenlehrer@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Ethical vegans want to avoid suffering. If figs cause suffering is a philosophical question.

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• baggachipz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  ffs they won’t eat honey, and that’s only because you’re stealing the fruits of the bees’ labor. I would assume the International Vegan Council outright bans figs with extreme prejudice.

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  • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    they won’t eat honey, and that’s only because you’re stealing the fruits of the bees’ labor

    Not the only reason. For example, an infamous and common practice in the honey industry is to cut off the queen’s wings, ensuring the hive has no choice but to stay there and produce honey.

    I’ve never met a vegan who won’t eat figs; their relationship with fig wasps is symbiotic, and yes, excluding fruit on the basis that “eating the fruit of a pollinated plant is exploiting the pollinator” probably far oversteps the “practicable” part of veganism:

    Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

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    • baggachipz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Would you eat honey from a natural hive without these practices?

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      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Good question. I wouldn’t (we’re assuming casual foraging for fun and not a survival situation); it’s still not vegan, but it’d be arguably less unethical on a spectrum.

        A con compared to the apiary is that these wild bees aren’t being artificially supplemented by e.g. sugar water; it’s live-or-die for them, and that’s their food. It’s not in me to take that away from them when I don’t have to.

        If someone took like a teaspoon of honey (still the lifetime output of about a dozen bees) while giving the bees something greater in return, then I don’t think most vegans would think it’s inherently wrong, but like any ethical framework, whenever you try to find contrived boundaries, it’s kind of like “okay, but why?” It’s kind of engaging on the armchair but rarely in practice.

        A huge pro compared to the apiary is avoiding, in addition to the physical mistreatment of the bees themselves, the perpetuation of the exploitation. If you one-and-done plunder a hive, that’s not vegan, but you’re not giving money to someone as a way of telling them “thanks, and keep doing this”.

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  • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is more in the “dead worms in the compost make their way into the vegetables we eat” wheelhouse than in the “lets steal these animals labor for their young, risking death and injury to the workers while doing so” wheelhouse

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• Flyberius@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’s not these figs.

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• m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I had a friend that didn’t eat figs for this reason.

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  • reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah I have a coworker who avoids certain varieties (many varieties don’t include wasps in the normal lifecycle)

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• Grass@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  not if they have trypophobia

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• flora_explora@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yeah sure I’ll eat figs. You don’t eat the fig wasps as they have been eaten by the fig already. If I knew there was a fig wasp still inside, I wouldn’t eat it though.

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• mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  yeah

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