Vegans eat other foods that use fertilizer. Fertilizers could contain meat or meat byproducts… So…
Comment on spoopy figs
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Can vegans eat figs?
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 7 months ago
username_1@programming.dev 7 months ago
Fertilizers could contain meat
Can you provide an example? Sounds strange. Too expensive.
breadsmasher@lemmy.world 7 months ago
cow is made of meat.
cow eats grass.
cow has a shit.
said shit is collected to form manure.
this manure is an animal byproduct which the animal did not consent to you taking.
Same as bees and honey.
Im not vegan but thats what a vegan explained to me
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Consent is needed to pick up animal shit now??
username_1@programming.dev 7 months ago
Ok, evil humans extort shit from the cows without their consent. I never thought that vegans are that crazy.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Do we have any theories as to what the cows were going to do with it?
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
The fact that some vegans think honey is exploitative really says a lot about their lack of knowledge.
They DO know that if bees don’t like a place, they’ll just … leave, right?
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You want me to provide examples of fertilizer? Sorry I’m not into shitposting.
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Get off the internet and get back to work, Dad.
allywilson@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
2nd paragraph: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilizer
username_1@programming.dev 7 months ago
However, starting in the 19th century…
Hasn’t XIX century started in your region yet? :)
BillyClark@piefed.social 7 months ago
I think I heard recently that one of the mushrooms that is popular as a vegan meat substitute lives off of some sort of living creature like insects or something.
But realistically, it’s all the circle of life. Animal life is part of the circle. Probably all plants have consumed nutrients that came from an animal in some way.
affenlehrer@feddit.org 7 months ago
Ethical vegans want to avoid suffering. If figs cause suffering is a philosophical question.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
ffs they won’t eat honey, and that’s only because you’re stealing the fruits of the bees’ labor. I would assume the International Vegan Council outright bans figs with extreme prejudice.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 7 months ago
they won’t eat honey, and that’s only because you’re stealing the fruits of the bees’ labor
Not the only reason. For example, an infamous and common practice in the honey industry is to cut off the queen’s wings, ensuring the hive has no choice but to stay there and produce honey.
I’ve never met a vegan who won’t eat figs; their relationship with fig wasps is symbiotic, and yes, excluding fruit on the basis that “eating the fruit of a pollinated plant is exploiting the pollinator” probably far oversteps the “practicable” part of veganism:
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Would you eat honey from a natural hive without these practices?
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Good question. I wouldn’t (we’re assuming casual foraging for fun and not a survival situation); it’s still not vegan, but it’d be arguably less unethical on a spectrum.
A con compared to the apiary is that these wild bees aren’t being artificially supplemented by e.g. sugar water; it’s live-or-die for them, and that’s their food. It’s not in me to take that away from them when I don’t have to.
If someone took like a teaspoon of honey (still the lifetime output of about a dozen bees) while giving the bees something greater in return, then I don’t think most vegans would think it’s inherently wrong, but like any ethical framework, whenever you try to find contrived boundaries, it’s kind of like “okay, but why?” It’s kind of engaging on the armchair but rarely in practice.
A huge pro compared to the apiary is avoiding, in addition to the physical mistreatment of the bees themselves, the perpetuation of the exploitation. If you one-and-done plunder a hive, that’s not vegan, but you’re not giving money to someone as a way of telling them “thanks, and keep doing this”.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
This is more in the “dead worms in the compost make their way into the vegetables we eat” wheelhouse than in the “lets steal these animals labor for their young, risking death and injury to the workers while doing so” wheelhouse
Flyberius@hexbear.net 7 months ago
It’s not these figs.
m0darn@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I had a friend that didn’t eat figs for this reason.
reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
Yeah I have a coworker who avoids certain varieties (many varieties don’t include wasps in the normal lifecycle)
Grass@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
not if they have trypophobia
flora_explora@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Yeah sure I’ll eat figs. You don’t eat the fig wasps as they have been eaten by the fig already. If I knew there was a fig wasp still inside, I wouldn’t eat it though.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
yeah
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Most vegans do. The general idea is to avoid exploiting animals, but the wasps are living out their natural life cycle.