With just your eyes you see it is round as ship masts dissappear last as they sail away. Also with just your eyes it must be round as the curved shadow on the moon surface during a lunar eclipse can only be produced by the shadow of a sphere.
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WoodScientist@lemmy.world âš19â© âšhoursâ© ago
I mean, if you think about it, the null hypothesis really should be that the Earth is flat. That is after all what the human eye perceives at first examination. It was proven conclusively to be round millennia ago, but it still required proof. But if you had no other evidence than your eyes, Occamâs Razor would suggest the Earth is flat.
nexguy@lemmy.world âš19â© âšhoursâ© ago
RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org âš1â© âšhourâ© ago
The only way this answer could have been more hung up on the letter instead of the spirit of that comment, would be if you had said âwith just your eyes you can watch a video explaining that the world is roundâ.
lol_idk@piefed.social âš12â© âšhoursâ© ago
nexguy@lemmy.world âš10â© âšhoursâ© ago
FishFace@piefed.social âš17â© âšhoursâ© ago
With just your eyes⊠And a big lake or sea⊠And a ship⊠And the knowledge that water lies level.
Similarly itâs not exactly understood from birth that lunar eclipses are the earthâs shadow.
You gotta work all these things out and make more complicated observations than just looking at the horizon.
nexguy@lemmy.world âš12â© âšhoursâ© ago
Youâre right, I should have come up with a way to tell the earth is flat with just your eyes but of course nothing around to cheat with like things to see with your eyes.
FishFace@piefed.social âš11â© âšhoursâ© ago
I think you probably get the point.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com âš14â© âšhoursâ© ago
You sayinâ a pizza wouldnât make a curved shadow if lit from the right perspective?
Checkmate, globe fundie.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works âš16â© âšhoursâ© ago
The moon rotating at the same rate as its orbit and always facing earth could be used to reinforce the concept shape idea.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip âš16â© âšhoursâ© ago
Most flat earthers donât believe space exists, so talking about orbits is already a step beyond them.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works âš17â© âšhoursâ© ago
Iâm all for them doing their own research and questioning what theyâve been taught, I just wish theyâd take the L here and focus that skeptical energy elsewhere.
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world âš10â© âšhoursâ© ago
The sun is round, the moon is round, the stars are round
Biconvex vs Globe should be the original argument. Disc vs Ball.
Do flat earthers think of sharp edged biconvex earth? Like that would have had to be the case if you could sail off it.
Do they think that itâs like a Minecraft world where they could see the dirt under the grass at the edge?
Humans had to explore the globe W-E or E-W. No practical way early to cross a frozen tundra and then sail going N-S or S-N.
We would have found out a lot quicker in human history if the polar caps didnât exist.
âGo aroundâ round. It is almost like it is intuitive that the earth is round.
Whatâs happening at the edge is what is the argument. Everyone knows where they are standing is flat. (Which I think is your point)
Youâd have to come up with a plausible explanation of what could happen. Like âYouâd sail off into a voidâ
Yet a globe has no edges and doesnât need a plausible explanation about a weird edge of the earth.
It should have aways rested that you had to prove the earth wasnât a ball.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world âš19â© âšhoursâ© ago
In addition to what everyone else is saying, Iâll say that relying solely on your own perception is a pretty weak scientific measurement. Thatâs like trying to tell me a banana isnât radioactive because it doesnât taste like it. If you use any form of measurement to check the curvature of the earth, then you see that it is round. Using your eyes is the absolute worst way to base fact.
Also, this wasnât targeted at you. Iâm not calling you dumb or anything, just making the argument. I know you are presenting the devilâs advocate stance in good faith.
FishFace@piefed.social âš17â© âšhoursâ© ago
The null hypothesis isnât âdevilâs advocateâ itâs just where you start from with no other information.
cynar@lemmy.world âš18â© âšhoursâ© ago
The point is that the reasonable null hypothesis is flat. Itâs the starting point, before you apply the scientific methods.
Itâs quite simple to disprove that however, particularly if you have access to an ocean, or large body of water.
sundray@lemmus.org âš17â© âšhoursâ© ago
particularly if you have access to an ocean, or large body of water
Railcar8095@lemmy.world âš17â© âšhoursâ© ago
But we already have much more evidence than our eyes. If one of the explanations require to disregard millennia of worth of scientific advancements, I donât think you can invoke Occam.
Even in the times when geocentricism was the prominent accepted version, the shape was accepted as non flat.
That work is done, if you they want to challenge it they need to do their bit. Else itâs faith.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world âš15â© âšhoursâ© ago
Lol this is literally their exact thought process.
kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone âš10â© âšhoursâ© ago
Like, right up until a lunar eclipse I guess?
untorquer@quokk.au âš19â© âšhoursâ© ago
Unless you has a view of the distant horizon in which case you might alternatively conclude itâs a convex lens shape.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš16â© âšhoursâ© ago
Climb a mountain?
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz âš16â© âšhoursâ© ago
The horizon is always flat, no matter how high you climb. Youâd need a rocket to get far enough away from the surface to see its curvature.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš16â© âšhoursâ© ago
Shucks. Looked up photos and all I see is more mountain range must have confused it with fictional media. Well know I know truth for sure.
untorquer@quokk.au âš12â© âšhoursâ© ago
A slightly perceptible curvature on the horizon only indicates a convex spherical cap, like a Frisbee.