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• WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I mean, if you think about it, the null hypothesis really should be that the Earth is flat. That is after all what the human eye perceives at first examination. It was proven conclusively to be round millennia ago, but it still required proof. But if you had no other evidence than your eyes, Occam’s Razor would suggest the Earth is flat.

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  • untorquer@quokk.au ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Unless you has a view of the distant horizon in which case you might alternatively conclude it’s a convex lens shape.

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    • Spacehooks@reddthat.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Climb a mountain?

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  • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    With just your eyes you see it is round as ship masts dissappear last as they sail away. Also with just your eyes it must be round as the curved shadow on the moon surface during a lunar eclipse can only be produced by the shadow of a sphere.

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    • lol_idk@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Image

      Checkmate

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      With just your eyes… And a big lake or sea… And a ship… And the knowledge that water lies level.

      Similarly it’s not exactly understood from birth that lunar eclipses are the earth’s shadow.

      You gotta work all these things out and make more complicated observations than just looking at the horizon.

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    • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You sayin’ a pizza wouldn’t make a curved shadow if lit from the right perspective?

      Checkmate, globe fundie.

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    • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The moon rotating at the same rate as its orbit and always facing earth could be used to reinforce the concept shape idea.

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m all for them doing their own research and questioning what they’ve been taught, I just wish they’d take the L here and focus that skeptical energy elsewhere.

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  • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The sun is round, the moon is round, the stars are round

    Biconvex vs Globe should be the original argument. Disc vs Ball.

    Do flat earthers think of sharp edged biconvex earth? Like that would have had to be the case if you could sail off it.

    Do they think that it’s like a Minecraft world where they could see the dirt under the grass at the edge?

    Humans had to explore the globe W-E or E-W. No practical way early to cross a frozen tundra and then sail going N-S or S-N.

    We would have found out a lot quicker in human history if the polar caps didn’t exist.

    “Go around” round. It is almost like it is intuitive that the earth is round.

    What’s happening at the edge is what is the argument. Everyone knows where they are standing is flat. (Which I think is your point)

    You’d have to come up with a plausible explanation of what could happen. Like “You’d sail off into a void”

    Yet a globe has no edges and doesn’t need a plausible explanation about a weird edge of the earth.

    It should have aways rested that you had to prove the earth wasn’t a ball.

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  • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In addition to what everyone else is saying, I’ll say that relying solely on your own perception is a pretty weak scientific measurement. That’s like trying to tell me a banana isn’t radioactive because it doesn’t taste like it. If you use any form of measurement to check the curvature of the earth, then you see that it is round. Using your eyes is the absolute worst way to base fact.

    Also, this wasn’t targeted at you. I’m not calling you dumb or anything, just making the argument. I know you are presenting the devil’s advocate stance in good faith.

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The null hypothesis isn’t “devil’s advocate” it’s just where you start from with no other information.

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    • cynar@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The point is that the reasonable null hypothesis is flat. It’s the starting point, before you apply the scientific methods.

      It’s quite simple to disprove that however, particularly if you have access to an ocean, or large body of water.

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  • Railcar8095@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    But we already have much more evidence than our eyes. If one of the explanations require to disregard millennia of worth of scientific advancements, I don’t think you can invoke Occam.

    Even in the times when geocentricism was the prominent accepted version, the shape was accepted as non flat.

    That work is done, if you they want to challenge it they need to do their bit. Else it’s faith.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lol this is literally their exact thought process.

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  • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Like, right up until a lunar eclipse I guess?

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• Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Flat earther confirmed.

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