mfw I found out oats can lactate
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Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Sure. Glugging down the lactation of other species intended for their babies is weird. It’s weird and should be more stigmatized.
Poggervania@kbin.social 1 year ago
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Oats, goats, stoats, all of 'em
Kase@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are you saying it’d be less weird to glug down human milk?
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Well, yes, since we already do that. And human milk is at least from our species.
I personally think that would be very weird, but less weird than drinking the breast milk of other species.
I’ll refer you to another response from this wonderfully lively thread:
““What do you like to drink?”
“Milk.”
“What’s that?”
“This breast juice from other animals. It’s super healthy for the percentage of our population that can digest it.”
“Oh…Why from other animals?”
“Well, we’re not going to drink human breast milk, that would be gross. I mean, we give it to babies. Cow and goat lactation, though, that’s for grown-ups.””
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
You could make a similar argument as to why we eat animal meat instead of human meat and it would be just as stupid.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
Go on?
Kase@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not dissing your argument at all, but my first thought was of babies eating little pieces of human flesh and it made me giggle. Well now that I wrote I down it just sounds freaky, but in my head it sounded silly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kase@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fair enough. Like the other commenter said in response, it’s good to remember that weird doesn’t mean bad, but you’re not wrong, it is pretty weird lol. The world is a goofy place :)
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Agreed, there are tons of weird and goofy things everywhere. They don’t bother me, but I notice and appreciate them.
Drinking milk from other species is just one of the most common weird ones and one that I don’t think we examine fundamentally often enough haha. Plus I always think it’s funny.
I always think of that. Tom Green skit where he drank milk straight from the udder of a cow and the ostensible joke is like look how crazy this guy is that he’s willing to drink milk straight from the cow!
But that’s basically what everybody is doing, in my head anyway whenever I see someone drinking milk. It’s fun up there, in my head.
NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 1 year ago
What am I supposed to wash this peanut butter down with human milk? Disgusting!
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Ew gross! Cow lactation, please!
Or as I like to call it, beef milk.
xX_fnord_Xx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Moojuice.
Also, eggs are chicken abortions.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Moo juice, love it.
WashedOver@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I like that. Use to refer to chocolate milk as chocolate moo instead.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Beef milk and chocolate moo. Indelibly printed on my brain now.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Water? The thing adult humans evolved to drink.
Riplikash@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A good chunk of human adults also evolved to drink milk, my dude.
xX_fnord_Xx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Adapted I think is a better term than evolved. Most people would be lactose intolerant if they stopped drinking milk after being weened off of breast milk.
Stoneykins@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Don’t appeal to evolution, evolution is weird. Evolution just does whatever survival says. If we can survive drinking milk, evolution is cool with it. But evolution is weird, evolution will be all like “You like cows milk huh? That’s cool, have you considered shrinking down and losing your brain and most internal organs to become a nipple latching milk parasyte? No? Ok, I’ll ask again later.”
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 1 year ago
Coconut milk?
NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 1 year ago
I think it only qualifies as “milk” based on its color. I don’t think it’s actually milk but I don’t know enough to commit to commit to that answer.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
If we think about this way, yes it is indeed pretty weird but it has really great nutrients which are crucial for children to grow in a healthy way (in moderation just like with any other food, fruit, vegetable).
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I think milk has vitamins and nutrients as well, vitamins and nutrients that can be easily supplemented by other dietary sources.
It’s much more the fact that it’s just day to day normal to drink breast milk from other animals.
“What do you like to drink?”
“Milk.”
“What’s that?”
“This breast juice from other animals. It’s super healthy for the percentage of our population that can digest it.”
“Oh…Why from other animals?”
“Well, we’re not going to drink human breast milk, that would be gross. I mean, we give it to babies. Cow and goat lactation, though, that’s for grown-ups.”
SpookyOperative@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I don’t think “it’s weird therefore bad” is a good argument. If you’re gonna argue for veganism (which I don’t have a problem work doing!) I think there are way, way better reasons.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I agree, can you point me to whichever commenter told you it was bad?
I’m not big into veganism myself, but feel free to spread your vegan wings here if you like.
Seems as appropriate a place as any.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Yeah I was talking about milks too. Probably it’s relatively easy to supplement milk with other sources but are those choice economically viable? Protein powders are a bit expensive + as an average joe, payin 3x+ more for plant based milk products are bit too much for me currently, but a 2x could convince me to opt for a plant based one. I’m not really knowledgable in this area, there must be some other options too for replacing milk in a cost effective way.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Supplements are cheaper than milk. If the main concern is about d3, you can buy hundreds of high dose d3 supplements for like 10 bucks.
I’m checking.
Costco, no sale, 500 iu d3, 600 gels.
CVS, 5$, 400iu d3 for 100 gels.
Supplements are pretty available.
Protein? Meat. Quinoa. Protein is easier and cheaper, but d3 is straightforward and available also.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We need vitamin D3, and there aren’t that many sources you can get it from.
Player2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Most of the useful things in milk are there because we artificially added them in. There is no real reason for this, it’s just what we have been doing for a long time
bleistift2@feddit.de 1 year ago
If only humans could make their own vitamin D. Oh, wait
The major natural source of vitamin D is synthesis of cholecalciferol in the lower layers of the epidermis of the skin, through a photochemical reaction of UVB light, from the sun exposure (specifically UVB radiation) or UVB lamps.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sure you can, but there’s also winter nonths where you can’t really go outside.
bleistift2@feddit.de 1 year ago
Thanks for pointing that out.
In the winter, only 10 percent of the body is exposed, and nearly 2 hours of sun exposure at noon is needed to produce a sufficient amount of vitamin D.
I thought less time was required.
SuperIce@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can get all the vitamin D you need from just 10-30 minutes midday a few times a week.
Also, cow’s milk doesn’t naturally contain vitamin D. Vitamin D is added to cow’s milk and is even required by law in some countries (Canada and Sweden). Might as well just drink any milk alternative fortified with vitamin D.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can get all the vitamin D you need from just 10-30 minutes midday a few times a week.
Sure, I’m not arguing against that. Just pointing out there aren’t that many sources. And there are a lot of reasons people can’t go outside whenever they want to, biggest one for me is it gets really cold during the winter. No way I’m going outside to hang out when it’s 10 degrees outside.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
All other mammals not drinking milk past infancy: Am I a joke to you?
vsis@feddit.cl 1 year ago
that’s not a good argument. Other animals doesn’t cook food or wear clothes.
we do, since both things are older than our species, so we evolved this way. We’d die without cooking and clothes.
domestic animals and drinking milk are a newer thing, but our species do this weir things all the time.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
We have absolutely zero evolutionary need for milk past infancy. It’s all culture and marketing.
Just because we do those things you mentioned doesn’t mean they’re necessary. In fact, I assure you, neither clothes nor cooking are strictly necessary for an individual’s survival. They’re convenient and comfortable, but not physiologically necessary. Obviously we’d freeze in cold climates, but there are plenty of places on earth we could survive well enough without.
We do need vitamin D to survive, but you can literally just get it directly from sunlight. The more time you spend inside, and the more thoroughly you clothe yourself, the more likely you are to need to supplement it. Simple as.
Another funny thing about milk, is that all the natural vitamin A and D is removed in processing. They literally have to re-fortify it again, so the only reason it’s billed as this “healthy” thing is because it’s basically a lab-made liquid vitamin.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
There aren’t? Fish right? Isn’t that what fish and fish oil is all about? I think there are plenty of dietary sources of D3 beyond breast milk, if that’s the issue.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fish and eggs yes. But if you eat fish all the time, you’ll find you have a different issue with mercury poisoning. Sources of vitamin D are low, so some foods and drinks get fortified with vitamin d. It isnt naturally found in anything but fish, beef liver, and egg yolk.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Eat fish oil instead of fish if you’re worried about mercury.
As for d3 only being found in only a few foods? That can’t be correct.
But you go on drinking milk if you like, people do lots of weird things.
WashedOver@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I love milk in my tea and cream in my coffee not to mention ice cream but it’s still meant for helping calfs grow quickly into cows at the same time. We are talking huge gains quickly here.
Some argue it’s why north American kids grow up so much faster and bigger than our Asian counterparts where milk and cheese is not as huge part of their diets. The kids hit puberty sooner too as a result. That’s changing in other parts of the world as cheese and milk make their ways into the diets even in places that never understood why Americans eat so much cheese on everything.
Low fat products created enormous sources of removed fat that could be turned into all kinds of dairy products including cheeses. It’s also heavily subsidized by government too. Dairy is so cheap in the US as a result compared to even Canada.
I don’t guzzle milk anymore like I did as a teen due to the amount of phlegm the body can create with its consumption. I’ve never forgotten a health video years ago that equated milk to drinking a glass of puss due to the things done to cows to make commercial milk.
I guess in my mind cheese is adjacent but not milk, but that’s just fooling myself as I eat my cheese.
It’s a huge industry in the west and I don’t think we will ever not see how great milk is for us. A lot is dedicated to keep those consumption numbers up and I do like my dairy products.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Wow! I think I had actually blocked out that pus memory but as soon as you said it my brain was like. Oh yeah you hated that, so I might have seen that.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Peak Lemmy for me is reading shit like this and being unsure if it is a joke or not
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Hahaha, me too.
I do think it is super weird to drink the breast milk of other animals. At the same time, I wouldn’t say that it’s a topic I take very seriously.