Also, I think a “radical Christian” would be the opposite of the KKK.
A millennium and a half of Christianity would say otherwise.
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Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Yes. Yes they are.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Just because you’re white european doesn’t mean you’re a Christian
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Statistically, you’re probably not a Scotsman, either.
tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Well, no one can really be a True Scotsman
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Especially since radical doesn’t mean extremist, but seeking the root. You want to know what a radical Christian looks like? MLK. Arguing for equality to be achieved through peaceful means but a positive peace that includes justice.
The kkk are just positive Christians, but unwilling to call themselves that because that would imply that they might be g*rmans and they ain’t no stinking deutschbag
Comrade_Spood@slrpnk.net 4 weeks ago
Yeah they are reactionary christians. A radical christian would be like the Catholic Workers and Dorothy Day, or the Fasci Siciliani, or Leo Tolstoy
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I guess I’m a radical Christian then.
I believe Jesus taught tolerance and love, so I try to treat others with tolerance and love. And not fake love like “thoughts and prayers,” but real love, which comes with action.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
John Brown was a radical Christian, and he’s okay in my book.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Truly an American hero.
nomy@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Pretty telling that he’s not mentioned in history books. I didn’t learn anything about him until well into adulthood.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
So that’s what he meant when he said
or when he said:
So tolerant and loving! 😍
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Look at Matthew 26 (specifically 52) where Jesus stopped Peter from defending him with his sword. Jesus is opposed to violence, full stop.
The sword Jesus spoke of in Matthew 10 wasn’t a literal sword. He’s saying he’s here to disrupt the status quo. Following him requires being at odds with the status quo (Jewish law), which is likely to result in being excluded from families and whatnot. He certainly doesn’t condone violence, but he does acknowledge that this is a fork in the road and people need to pick sides, because they can’t do both.
This similar idea is conveyed in Matthew 6:24 (replace “money” with anything else that stands between you and following God):
Or Matthew 5:29:
I also don’t think he means you need to preemptively abandon your family, just that if you have to choose, choose God.
The same idea is true in secular ideology as well. If your family are Nazis, it’s better to leave them than become a Nazi.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
It’s so weird how Trump and Jesus fans always need to explain what the words their admiration spoke actually meant. He maybe the evangelicals had it right all along and Donnie is the second coming!
algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
Oh come on, I can see from a mile away that’s it’s a metaphor
Lightor@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
How can you tell the difference between what should be interpreted as literal vs a metaphor?
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Sure like everything that is uncomfortable. Rest is literal. How convenient.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 4 weeks ago
Based tbh
angrystego@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They said they believe Jesus taught tolerance. They didn’t say it’s the ultimate fact just that they believe it. Of course you can find anything in the Bible. You can interpret the text in a hundred ways. There’s no one true interpretation. You can just choose one to believe in that makes sense to you (or decide non of it is for you). I think sugar_in_your_tea has chosen a very positive interpretation.
Btw I love your user name!
nutsack@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
i fucked god’s asshole
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Yes, because Jesus’ message was going to divide families, because some members won’t accept others who choose to follow Him. It was also to correct other ideas about the messiah uniting everyone and creating peace. The conflict Jesus creates are from those who are intolerant, not Jesus Himself.
It helps to read the verses in their context instead of cherrypicking.
bhamlin@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I feel like “tolerance” is the wrong word here. If you instead strive for “compassion” you’d be closer to the mark.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
When I think of tolerance, I think of how Jesus dealt with sinners. He didn’t go around pointing out others’ mistakes, instead he helped any who came to him. He even asked his father to forgive the people that killed him, saying they didn’t know what they were doing.
To me, tolerance doesn’t mean ignoring people who live differently, it means quite the opposite: look past the sin and love people for the rest of who they are. Getting into compassion, that also means championing causes that you disagree with, but that help your sinner friends and don’t hurt you.
For example, I fully support legalizing the following:
I’m morally opposed to each of those, but that only applies to my own actions, and others choosing to do those doesn’t hurt me. If someone else makes a different decision, that’s not my business and I’ll continue loving them for who they are. Banning those things causes harm, and legalizing them makes people happy without hurting me, so why should I oppose?
Likewise, a homeless person addicted to drugs isn’t any less deserving of love than my local religious leader. Jesus gave two commandments:
He didn’t say, “love saints more than sinners,” in fact he said we shouldn’t judge others at all. So if I love my religious leader and not the homeless person, I need to repent. And I show that love through action (i.e. compassion), otherwise it’s just lip-service and I’m no better than the Pharisees that showed piety in public but were incredibly intolerant.
Tolerance without commission isn’t love just like faith without works is dead.
bhamlin@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sure, but also “love the sinner, hate the sin.” Compassion still feels more appropriate.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Love is a verb
RavingGrob@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/love
blindbunny@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Yep the second part in the link you sent. But it appears as if some people don’t think love is something you have to do. I guess it just happens 🤦♂️
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Tolerantly beat the fuck out of those money changers
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Lol.
The problem there was that they were defiling his house, disturbing people who were there to worship. Tolerance doesn’t mean putting up with bad actors, it means not getting involved in things that don’t concern you. Someone else choosing a different religion or lifestyle doesn’t concern you, and the direction to love them still applies.