Comment on Don't forget where we came from and what shaped us as a species. The Jungle.

• flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There are plenty of things that are ‘natural’ that are wrong to do, why is eating meat any different?

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  • Soulg@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s a personal choice that people are allowed to make for themselves.

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    • Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That misses the question a bit, no? Everything that is wrong to do is a personal choice. It’s not relevant to whether or not it should be done

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      • Soulg@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not really, some things are objectively bad and wrong and other things are merely subjective.

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    • RobotZap10000@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are the animals also allowed a choice in the matter?

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      See this is what I told people when they found out I had sex with my dog, and they said I was crazy and abusive! Like, it’s my own choice!

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        >inb4 some child left behind replies with “are you equating eating meat for sustenance with rape?”

        Yes. You could eat something else for sustenance. The reason you choose meat is because it’s a more enjoyable experience for you, despite the inherent harm. That sounds similar to another topic I mentioned in this comment

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Homosexuality has been observed among a great many species, particularly birds and mammals.

    What where we talking about again?

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    • flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Killing and eating your children has been observed among a great many species, particularly lizards and mammals.

      What where we talking about again?

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      • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Eh, it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t at one point or that it can’t be part of our reproductive strategy in the future. I’d even say that murder and cannibalism are very normal aspects of our species.

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What were you hoping to achieve with this? You sure showed them, not all natural activities are bad. Unfortunately, they didn’t say that. You’re arguing against nobody

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• Zwiebel@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

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• coherent_domain@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yes, but most people in the west don’t have the option to eat meat that are not from the meat industry.

  That is exactly why vegan is attractive in the west.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Exactly as a vegan ex explained it to me.

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• threshold_dweller@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Murder and rape are also “natural.”

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• tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  99% of vegans dont say eating meat in itself is wrong and this bullshit narrative needs to stop

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  • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    🤣 go to the Lemmy vegan community and say that. I’m sure you’ll easily get 99 upvotes and only a single downvote

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    • Whateley@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I can go to a conservative community and say liberals have horns and get the same result. It proves nothing.

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    • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s all about assumed context. If you ask that question in English on the internet, most readers assume you’re talking about in the US, or failing that, in a developed country in the West. Therefore if you buy a pound of beef, it’s from a factory farm.

      They’re not going to assume you’re a scavenger harvesting meat from already dead caribou in the artic.

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      • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The majority of humans don’t scavange meat from already dead animals, even in poorer countries wtf

        Soy Salvadoreño y nadie en mi familia ni los vecinos ni el pueblo estaban comiendo animales muertos ni cuando tenían zapatos. Chele morongon, que crees tan bajo de los pobres???

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You haven’t been here long, have you?

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    • tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Youre saying vegans want to stop animals from eating other animals? I dont think so.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I would go as far as to say that most vegans wouldn’t have a moral problem with eating roadkill. The physical act of eating meat is only harmful to an animal if it’s still alive while you’re eating it. The problem is the part before that, where you paid someone to hurt it

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• BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yo this seems to be a bad take

  I think something that defines humanity is that we really try not to follow the “rules of nature”, ie. the rule of the stronger over the weaker

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• Desistance@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah, I wash shocked to find out that Squirrels hunted and ate smaller mice when they felt the urge.

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  • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, almost all herbivores are opportunistic cannibals. Cows are known to eat rats found in the hay. Horses sometimes gobble down a chick if they feel like it.

    All these strict rules people believe about biology were prescribed by scholars of old who believed in a perfect creation where everything had its place, but reality is very messy.

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    • BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Carnivores, not cannibals lol

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      • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        All cannibals are carnivores but not all carnivores are cannibals.

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      • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks 😅

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• anzo@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If you prefer to live a natural life, be my guest. Go ahead, live by your logic as you expect from others. Hunt, kill, and process your own food ;)

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