Comment on Don't forget where we came from and what shaped us as a species. The Jungle.

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• cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I can side with the vegans that the meat industry needs to be clamped down on hard

  But eating meat in of itself is not wrong, that is what is natural

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  • flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There are plenty of things that are ‘natural’ that are wrong to do, why is eating meat any different?

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    • Soulg@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That’s a personal choice that people are allowed to make for themselves.

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      • Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        That misses the question a bit, no? Everything that is wrong to do is a personal choice. It’s not relevant to whether or not it should be done

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      • RobotZap10000@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Are the animals also allowed a choice in the matter?

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        See this is what I told people when they found out I had sex with my dog, and they said I was crazy and abusive! Like, it’s my own choice!

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Homosexuality has been observed among a great many species, particularly birds and mammals.

      What where we talking about again?

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        What were you hoping to achieve with this? You sure showed them, not all natural activities are bad. Unfortunately, they didn’t say that. You’re arguing against nobody

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      • flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Killing and eating your children has been observed among a great many species, particularly lizards and mammals.

        What where we talking about again?

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  • Zwiebel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

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  • threshold_dweller@lemmy.today ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Murder and rape are also “natural.”

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  • coherent_domain@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yes, but most people in the west don’t have the option to eat meat that are not from the meat industry.

    That is exactly why vegan is attractive in the west.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Exactly as a vegan ex explained it to me.

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  • BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yo this seems to be a bad take

    I think something that defines humanity is that we really try not to follow the “rules of nature”, ie. the rule of the stronger over the weaker

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  • tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    99% of vegans dont say eating meat in itself is wrong and this bullshit narrative needs to stop

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I would go as far as to say that most vegans wouldn’t have a moral problem with eating roadkill. The physical act of eating meat is only harmful to an animal if it’s still alive while you’re eating it. The problem is the part before that, where you paid someone to hurt it

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You haven’t been here long, have you?

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      • tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Youre saying vegans want to stop animals from eating other animals? I dont think so.

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    • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      🤣 go to the Lemmy vegan community and say that. I’m sure you’ll easily get 99 upvotes and only a single downvote

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      • Whateley@lemm.ee ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I can go to a conservative community and say liberals have horns and get the same result. It proves nothing.

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      • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s all about assumed context. If you ask that question in English on the internet, most readers assume you’re talking about in the US, or failing that, in a developed country in the West. Therefore if you buy a pound of beef, it’s from a factory farm.

        They’re not going to assume you’re a scavenger harvesting meat from already dead caribou in the artic.

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  • Desistance@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yeah, I wash shocked to find out that Squirrels hunted and ate smaller mice when they felt the urge.

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah, almost all herbivores are opportunistic cannibals. Cows are known to eat rats found in the hay. Horses sometimes gobble down a chick if they feel like it.

      All these strict rules people believe about biology were prescribed by scholars of old who believed in a perfect creation where everything had its place, but reality is very messy.

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      • BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Carnivores, not cannibals lol

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• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What ever horror humanity has done, we are still holding the beer of invertebrates.

  And yet nature’s is is not a justification for aught. The fruit of the tree of wisdom (mythically) gave us empathy that we may live in harmony with neighbors, and in the late game, we have learned the imperative to see value in the fallow wilds.

  A century ago, a vegan diet for humans as extremely difficult, possibly impossible. And to quote Saruman the forests will burn in the fires of industry! And they have.

  We are not a vegan culture today because the food industry focuses on sales and profits, not on nutrition and health.

  Though to be fair our massive land-hungry industrial farms will affect the biomes around them regardless of whether we grow plants or ranch livestock. Veganism is part of a solution towards a more harmonious civilization, but misses several pieces.

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  • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What the crap is this response?

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