What do mean things so small we can't see them with the human eye? Are you crazy?

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• betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And to think he could have been saved if those guards had washed their hands before beating him.

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• Th4tGuyII@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The fucked up part is that barely a decade after his death - thanks to the efforts of Louis Pasteur - Semmelweis's work went from so controversial they condemned him to his death, to becoming the basis for the field of aseptics

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  • recapitated@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Florence Nightingale made some important public contributions here as well

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    • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I know that effect!

      “That’s the Florence Nightingale effect. It happens in hospitals when nurses fall in love with their patients.”

      But what was George doing in that tree?

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• tygerprints@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Never suggest common sense to people who are raised in ignorance. Too much of a new idea will always be a huge threat to them, though nobody knows why.

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  • SuperIce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It wasn’t common sense at the time. Germ theory wouldn’t exist for another 20 years after Semmelweis’s discovery. His idea of “corpse particles that might turn a living person into a corpse after contact” seemed superstitious and crazy at the time. It was only after germ theory that we learned that these “corpse particles” were in fact germs.

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    • tygerprints@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I know I remember seeing a documentary about all this and how surgeons who frequently did autopsies at that time would often cut themselves, develop a fever and die from septic shock, never having learned that they maybe should wash their hands after playing with dead tissue. Germ theory wasn't even a theory then, because people didn't have any idea there could be such a thing as germs.

      It makes me wonder what would people in the Renaissance or middle ages say, if we were to travel back in time and talk about dinosaurs. I'm sure they'd lock us up as mentally ill. How could there ever have been such a thing as gigantic mega-lizards walking around on earth!

      From the micro to the macroscopic it's funny how we humans always have to learn things very slowly and only after making many incorrect assumptions.

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    • aksdb@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      IMO the common sense part isn’t “oh right of course those are germs”, but following the observation that points to some correlation. They don’t have to know or understand the root cause to at least consider (or accept) that something is wrong.

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  • RunawayFixer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If Semmelweis’ s theories were correct, it would have meant that many deaths of their patients would have been easily avoidable. So those other doctors could either ridicule the theory and continue living + practicing in ignorance, or accept the theory and also accept that they had (unknowingly) caused the deaths of many of their patients.

    I’m not surprised that they chose the route of ridicule. I’m also not surprised that 20 or 30 years later, when the assistants of the old doctors had become the new generation of doctors, that the theory was then more easily accepted.

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  • cameron_vale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But ignorance is only really appreciated after the fact.

    When the ignoramus is contemporary, he knows he’s right. He’s thinking what all the smart modern people are thinking. Of course he’s right.

    And any ideas that contradict him (and contradict the modern, right-thinking majority) are clearly foolishness.

    So maybe it’s the modern right-thinkers that we need to be wary of.

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    • tygerprints@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      IT's the Dunning-Kruger effect - people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria. And they tend to only value the criteria that validate their own points of view. What we really lack is the eagerness to know all sides of an issue and take them into account.

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• CluckN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Dude just needed a better PR team.

  “By the lords blessing washing your hands in holy water and soap allows Christ to deliver the baby”

  People would’ve seen the decrease in mortality and he could’ve gotten a selfie with the pope.

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  • bratosch@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But then he’d given The Imaginary Man undeserved credit, and who knows where medicine would be today? so I think it was all for the best

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    • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeaaa religion set humanity back far enough as is, we need to attribute as little as possible to it

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  • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Imagine if Jesus Christ himself was just a benevolent charlatan that tried to codify a good standard of conduct for all his followers (and was then sadly overinterpreted and used for the occasional hate-speech)

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    • SkippingRelax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Please continue

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• DrMango@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Semmelweis was also kind of an asshole and would camp out by hospital sinks and yell at staffers for not washing their hands. He had the right idea, but he also had a shit personality which definitely contributed to the “everyone hated him” thing.

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  • derf82@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It also wasn’t soap and water handwashing. He had them wash in chlorinated lime, which did turn out to be effective in killing germs but also wasn’t the most pleasant stuff to be constantly putting your hands in.

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• bratosch@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What I’m wondering is why the midwives for some reason had cleaner hands hand the male doctors?

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  • Pons_Aelius@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The doctors at the hospital were also doing autopsies and would go directly from an autopsies to the delivery ward without washing their hands.

    The midwives did not perform autopsies.

    It was not that the midwives' hands were especially clean, it was that the Dr's hands were very contaminated.

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  • Kage520@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think once when this was posted they said doctors would see other patients and even perform autopsies then do surgeries with no hand washing between.

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They weren’t dealing with other sick people I imagine. Also I bet they tended spend more time with each patient since they only did one specialist task.

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  • cameron_vale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are you really wondering?

    State your case and move on. You are probably filled with foolish ideas too. We all are. All you can do is grow.

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    • bratosch@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have no idea what you are on about, but yes I am genuinely wondering

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• Orbituary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Title gore…

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  • lookorex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not really, they just forgot a word. Should be “what do you mean…”

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    • Orbituary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “What do you mean things are so small that we can’t see them with the human eye?”

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• bartolomeo@suppo.fi ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I can’t wait to see what future generations will remark “I can’t believe they lived in a world without that knowledge” about our time.

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  • crimroy@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Plastic

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• Karaatti@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Vsauce2 had a great video about him: youtu.be/okOfvMY5wOI

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• NENathaniel@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is this real and accurate?

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  • moodwrench@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    According to nationalgeographic.co.uk/…/wash-your-hands-was-on… Yes, it’s true

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• cameron_vale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I can’t believe that you take dreams seriously. Everybody knows they’re just hallucinations.

  Afterlife? Reincarnation? It’s just fantasies.

  A creator of the universe? Crazy.

  Little people. Spirits. Sure people reported seeing them for thousands of years. But now we know better.

  Don’t be crazy.

  I know I’m beating this point into the dirt. But seriously.

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  • tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Semmelweis’s hypothesis is testable. None of what you mentioned is.

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    • cameron_vale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Have you tried conducting the relevant experiments? That’s how we test such things.

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  • cameron_vale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So many of us think of ourselves as smart and sensible while actually being as locked into the paradigm of the hour as a 13th century religious zealot. Same insanity, different century.

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• cameron_vale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  All modern smart people know what truth is. Always have. Always will.

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• progbob@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Like Nietschze; I mean the official theory ist that he contracted syfilis as a young man and therefore later in his life ended up in an insane asylum; which of course was fathomable and apparently happend a lot in the end of the 19th century. I for myself kinda choose to stick to the theory that he just couldn’t take the world view he created for himself anymore and the ignorance of the vast majority, so that he also had something like a ‘nervous breakdown’ that landed him in such a place. But well, I guess that’s just trivia or the ramblings of another mad man… 😜cheers

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It is a pretty confident bet that mental illness is caused by mental illness not philosophy

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