Doesn’t matter so long as the establishment is still in control of who gets pushed forward.
We need ranked choice everywhere. They aren’t going to get there willingly.
The light at the end of the tunnel is getting much closer. KEEP PUSHING
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knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
protist@retrofed.com 3 weeks ago
You don’t understand how this works. If enough people vote for the candidates you support in Democratic primaries, they win. The establishment can’t stop them. If you’re still hung up on the superdelegate system that burned Bernie in ’16, well that system is gone now, and it only existed for the presidential candidate anyway
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The superdelegate system didn’t burn Bernie. He was behind Clinton in the primaries well before the superdelegates got their vote in the Convention.
Would they have killed his nomination in 2016 if it were close? Probably. But they didn’t have to because people weren’t voting for him.
deathbird@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Well clearly the problem is 1/3rd of the party, and the solution is to conceed nothing to them and run to the center hoping desperately to peal off a few Romney-style Republicans.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The crazy thing is just how popular socialism is across America. Deep rural red America can be quite supportive of socialist policies in practice.
They just don’t like the words. The language is poisoned. So they keep listening to the chorus that condemns the words they don’t like. Their perception is flat wrong and based on specific lies, but that’s a hurdle that has to be contended with, and why it’s so complex to discuss.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah I’ve been wondering if a socialist party calling themselves “the freedom party” would be able to fool all the idiots who vote against themselves. And when the foxmaxx talking head chuds start calling them commies they can just keep repeating “why do you hate freedom?”
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
According to the same poll, 25% of the respondents had never heard of the Democratic Socialists of America, and 21% had no opinion of them.
Also, 10% of respondents who leaned democratic that the Democratic Party needed to be completely reformed, 47% said it needed major changes, and 39% said it needed minor changes.
Also, this is a major “throw the bums out” moment:
One question was: “Imagine that after the November 2026 elections, most of the current members of Congress are replaced with new members. Do you think that would:”
51% said it would change congress for the better, only 9% said it would change congress for the worse.
Also, even if only 1/3 consider themselves democratic socialists, 73% would be either enthusiastic or OK with nominating someone who described themselves as a democratic socialist, and only 27% would be uneasy or upset by that.
I actually can’t find in that poll where people identify as democratic socialists. But, everything else suggests now is an ideal time to run a DSA candidate.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Also, even if only 1/3 consider themselves democratic socialists, 73% would be either enthusiastic or OK with nominating someone who described themselves as a democratic socialist, and only 27% would be uneasy or upset by that.
That 27% are the Democratic establishment. Those somehow still committed to neoliberalism, that sad, failed ideology.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
That 73% number I think shows the demsoc policies are popular. Which is the real number to watch. The self-identification with a word subject to a century of negative propaganda is more an indication of how strong the propaganda is these days.
uberdroog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Or…or…people are realizing the democratic party wasn’t what was advertised
OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Tend to be younger (59% are younger than 45, compared to 46% of non-democratic socialists aligned with the Democratic Party) and are more likely to be White (57% to 49%)
I really can’t parse what they mean by “non-democratic socialists aligned with the Democratic Party.” Juche supporters? Those younger than 45 who aren’t democratic socialists? What does the percentage have to do with age?
NABDad@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I take it to mean Democrats who are not Democratic Socialists, but it’s an odd way of saying it.
Maybe they are including people who aren’t registered as Democrats but tend to vote for them?
saltesc@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Are they all trying to learn what socialism is now to ensure they stay on with voters?
protist@retrofed.com 3 weeks ago
Voters pushing candidates to the left is a good thing. You should not be cynical about this
decolo@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
They have been actively guiding public sentiment away from populist socialism for 50 years, and they will choose to throw every election before they acknowledge that people want socialist policy
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
These are Democrats that think the Nordic model is socialism, and the oligarchy thanks them for their ignorance
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m not in the US and not super knowledgeable about the DSA, but this isn’t my vibe at all as a blanket statement.
Many members might think what you’re asserting, perhaps, but doesn’t seem to be the organisation’s stated platform at all:
I’m not in love with the ICE collaboration, and using private contractors for “city-run” grocery stores by Mamdani, but the DSA seems faaaaaaaaaaaar better than practically any other organisation with any momentum in the USA.
Perhaps quit your whining and actually do something to push the USA and the DSA organisation, further left. I have no idea what the internal organisation governance is like, but I’d imagine it’d be at least somewhat meaningfully democratically elected.
You and your comrades ought to consider joining to make interventions, which can be even more effective if you do so together.
We leftists should always intervene in the places we can be most effective. (Not an argument for lesser-evilism, an argument for bringing those somewhat further right, further left).
There is no point appealing to the Democratic party establishment in my view, but building a movement via the DSA to essentially take over the Democratic party seems like a decent strategy (the USA having the terrible voting system that is has)
The DSA (to me, from the outside) seems like a good opportunity to make socialist arguments to those who are primed to listen.
Or you know, you can just poo pop them from the outside (and perhaps you’re right to do that, if their aims are completely unacceptable).
They may be a reformist organisation, and not a revolutionary one, but present a very good opportunity to build a working class movement, that eventually becomes revolutionary.
Just some thoughts, you do whatever.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Reform never works, any leftists that ever read any amount of theory knows this
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
There is no point appealing to the Democratic party establishment in my view, but building a movement via the DSA to essentially take over the Democratic party seems like a decent strategy (the USA having the terrible voting system that is has)
That’s basically how MAGA took over the Republican Party, first building momentum from Gingrich’s Contract with America through the Tea Party, and finally to MAGA.
I have no doubt that if the Progressives were able to grab the kind of power in the Democratic Party that MAGA has in the Republican Party, there might be motion toward the same sort of crazy extremism, but at this point, I’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Right now, there is literally the future if humanity at stake. These Sociopathic Oligarchs WILL enslave all of humankind, if they possibly can, and they are actively pursuing that agenda, as we all see every day.
So I’ll worry about leftist over-regulation when it becomes a problem, if it means avoiding Stephen 'PeeWee Himmler" Miller’s Leftist Prisoner Chain Gang of online loudmouths, replacing deported minority farm workers.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It’s still an improvement. A right step towards class-conciousness, but don’t get your hopes up.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not a step in the right direction, this has happened several times in the past with the same results
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fight
nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It’s true. Let’s keep it up!
Thank you for posting this, OP!