Instead we got a trillion dollar man

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• shittydwarf@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  And we can get all these things by eliminating billionaires (And a trillionaire) from the population

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Very hard to talk about “lessening crime” when you breeze by wage theft, land theft, and war crimes.

    Like, I want to believe OP’s message, but I don’t think the problem ICE Agents are having right now is poverty wages. I don’t think the local PD out roughing up the homeless are lacking for health care or homes or strong unions. The suffocating waves of pipelines and highways and data centers that force people out of their homes aren’t being built because their investors lacked the amenities of a first class upbringing.

    We have to clarify what kind of crimes we’re preventing. Nothing in OP’s list puts Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg off their bullshit.

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    • psycotica0@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You’re not directly wrong, but the theoretical, philosophical, answer is that the social will that allows ICE to operate, or cops to thug about, is that people feel that there is dangerous lawlessness out there, and the only way to solve it is strong force. And sometimes a few eggs need to get cracked, but it’s okay because they deserved it.

      So none of the things listed here prevent ICE, but ICE is powered by fear of “the criminals”, and if we solve the “criminal problem” with real solutions, suddenly it gets a lot harder to motive a brute squad when everyone is fine actually. And I don’t mean “the officers are fine” or “the would-be victims are fine”, I mean the random citizens sitting at home, already feeling secured without the police force in military gear.

      And I mean maybe at least some of the shitty dudes are there due to broken homes fractured by substance abuse or financial stresses, or are themselves victims of fetal alcohol syndrome or something, which could possibly be lessened with tighter social circles and safety nets.

      As you your other point, unions specifically address wage theft and would impact Bezos for sure. At least assuming “theoretically ideal” unions.

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  • plyth@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    And we can get all these things by eliminating billionaires

    We can’t. Those things have to be organised and we could organise them right now.

    The problem are not the billionaires but the lack of organisation of the people.

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    • Bababasti@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Both can be true no?

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• mgrecca2026@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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  • Karjalan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Wait… Is that a legit poster?

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    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yup. It and others are being put up at a London bus stop

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• DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Reagan skyrocketed the homeless population of California when he cut the budget for mental health facilities. That gave him the excuse to arrest the dangerous mental patients roaming the streets. Of course, the State needed to pay private contractors for new prisons.

  Worked so well he did it again when he became President.

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• Impractical_Island@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  More than free college: education. Everyone has a piece of the puzzle. By sharing your knowledge and wisdom skillfully, you help eliminate poverty and crime. Certainly, the system should be fixed, but we all need to help the lowest among us the ways we can. We cannot offload responsibility to this agency, this person, this state. The individual is the source of will in reality, and thus where good will is born.

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• rayyy@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Sixty years ago you could graduate from high school, get a job, buy a car, get married, buy a house, buy a boat and raise kids all on one salary. People had a future to look forward to then.

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  • SippyCup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Then get drafted, go to Vietnam, maybe come home but bring irreversible trauma with you.

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    • Phunter@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Hmmm maybe we could try to bring back the good thing without bringing back the bad thing. It would be nice if it were possible.

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• Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Capitalism depends on an “every man for himself” savage mentality to thrive. The capitalist’s (i.e. the people with capital - the Epstein class/Oligarchs/Aristocracy) reap the benefits.

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• Bluedragon012@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Kill the rich, save the poor. Taxation, is not enough for the current era. There must be justice for the crimes committed. Once they are dead, then we can figure out how to run the world without capitalism. Untill then, the elimination of the ultra-rich by any means should be the goal. Everything else is noise.

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• FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Batman was never a hero

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  • DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    How does it work for you?

    If you think Batman is real, you have to accept that Joker and Scarecrow are too.

    Both wanted to kill and / or drive everyone in the city crazy. Neither was homeless or destitute, so neither needed a more just system.

    Just explain the logic, okay?

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    • femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Saying he is not a hero does not mean the joker is the good guy.

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• Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The criminals are the government

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• unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Thanks

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• fisch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You know what? Let’s make them fight even harder!

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• TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Precisely what the advocates of universal basic income had been saying.

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• unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  My plan is to look in a bunch of ladies

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• unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Omg why

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