As long as you don’t “correct” or act like you know better that minorities, you will be a good Ally.
Don’t say “I will help you!”, instead ask “how can i help you?”
Your opinion is important
Submitted 4 weeks ago by Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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NONE_dc@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
blarghly@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
What if the minorities are wrong?
NONE_dc@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That’s the question from which fucked up shit start to happen, but let’s take it at face value.
In that case, you can look for a segment of the minority group that aligns with your ideals (because not all of us think the same way, we’re not a collective mind) and offer them your support.
Do you encounter, say, Latinos who support Trump? Leave them alone and offer support to Latinos who are critical of Trump; We’ll know how to use your help to take actions that benefit all of us, including those who are “wrong.”
menas@lemmy.wtf 4 weeks ago
In this case, minorities could learn by themselves, to under another leadership.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Impossible. People like Jesse Lee Peterson don’t exist.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It’s funny because I’m constantly seeing minority groups telling white people not to ask how to help and to just figure it out and help or get out of the way.
It’s kinda frustrating hearing so many different takes on white people trying to help because it feels like a large portion don’t want us to help at all
NONE_dc@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The thing is, to us, what you can do to help is so obvious that it feels like we’re being asked how to breathe.
Help your community, volunteer for a cause, don’t get involved in acts of hatred disguised as moralism or the defense of a national or ethnic identity, educate yourself by reading authors who are part of the minority you want to support, confront and accept the reality of privilege, etc.
But also, often the question “How can I help?” masks the real question: “How can I be a hero to your people?”. So I suppose that before one ask how to help, one should first ask oneself “Do I really want to help?” and be honest about it.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
What a chud post.
NLG OP is kind of the cancer we all wished stayed on reddit.
Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Take shitposts seriously and get into fights with strangers on the internet.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Gang shit
_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
how dare you disagree with a shitpost
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
My bait is too tasty for some fish. Hooked em.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’ll have you know some people like me. 😉
CubitOom@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
Shut the fuck up saying racist shit is just a shiypost/joke.
Go post some white power bullshit then if that’s your goal.
If you want to be racist, then just fucking do it.
Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Image One of the few people ive tagged for this. Not yet worth blocking, sojust whenever I see him post I dont interact with them
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’ll wear it like a badge of honor captain.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
As a trans white woman, tbh I remember when the discussion was that privileged people should be amplifying minority voices and talking points, and at least on the axes I’m oppressed along I stand by that position. A lot of people are unwilling to listen to me about my humanity, but they are a hell of a lot more likely to listen to my cis relatives.
Also those discussions can be exhausting for the affected and having the non affected doing 101 level talks with each other spares me them.
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Fellow white transfem here, I definitely agree that there’s a time and place for unaffected people to advocate for a minority.
That said, if I’m being charitable to OP, there are absolutely times when minorities get talked over in ways that really suck.
I once attended a listening circle/support group that came together as a piece of transphobic legislation was likely to pass in my state. I went, expecting a good mix of trans folks and allies, and that we’d be coming together to vent our frustrations and figure out a way forward.
But what I got instead was a room full of mostly cis people, talking over the trans people in the room, and being all sad and morose, like the bill in question was already a foregone conclusion. Like the trans people in the room were a lost cause to mourn, rather than worth helping.
And that… Sucked! That bill didn’t pass, but it wasn’t because any of the cis people in that room did anything to help.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That’s fair, and yeah I’ve definitely had those interactions as well, plenty of times even.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Damn we getting mad at white women again?
As someone that defended humanity of Palestinians and spoke out against Israel genocide, it’s okay if white women talk about the plight of others or the oppression they suffer
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Shitpost. But yes I’m very mad.
zeppo@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So, back in real life. At a protest? Yes, it’s valuable for white people to speak up, since they’re more difficult for police to persecute. Sorry you’re too uninformed and naice to realize this, so wise OP.
menas@lemmy.wtf 4 weeks ago
Do you know some leading organization that are let concerned people speak, organized and plan their actions, without someone that want to “help them to understand their own conditions” ? I know some organizations dike that, and their are out of the limelight by others. And those others are liberal that think their have the right knowledge and their are need … or vanguard leftists that think they have the right political thinking to analyse the situation.
In both case, they are acting like missionaries (and are their are some historical and sociological link).
You take one example (that is true), but this is not enough. White people could act under the control of the collective; with an imperative mandate of what that person shall talk to, or what line shall that person defend, without asking his mind
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
💋
daannii@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I think there isn’t a black and white (no pun intended) rule when it comes to standing up for someone else.
There are situations where it’s appropriate and situations it’s not.
And it’s hard to say across the board to keep your mouth shut if you are white and see another group being discriminated against. Or to always interject yourself.
I’m a woman and I think of the times I’ve been in a situation where I really would have appreciated a man stepping in so that I didn’t have to be the one woman calling out something so blatantly misogynist.
Because then I’m seen as the bad person. The snowflake.
But other times, I think . Men need to shut up about what they think women need or want about our reproductive health because they don’t know anything. But I sure would like it if they supported what we said.
My general rule is. I back people up if they say something about an injustice and show I support them.
But if I see blatant discrimination and injustices being enacted on someone, I will call it out.
And try my best not to draw attention to the person being discriminated against and make them feel embarrassed.
wraekscadu@vargar.org 4 weeks ago
Racist post. I hope it isn’t tolerated by the community.
Do activists with a messiah complex exist? Yes. Are they annoying? Yes. Should folks considered “white” and politically “liberal” be generalized into having this attribute? No. It’s racist to do so.
OP is quite bigoted and should know better.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
“I get to code my racism behind a flair, checkmate atheist!”
CubitOom@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
Everyone should be speaking truth to power.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
Slavery didn’t end because the slaves revolted. It ended because white people fought to abolish it. The North could have allowed the South to continue on as a separate nation with slaves, but they insisted the Confederacy remain with the Union, AND end slavery.
Often the downtrodden need those in power to use that power to fight for them.
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Slavery didn’t end because the slaves revolted. It ended because white people fought to abolish it.
Holy revisionist history!!
White abolitionists absolutely played a role in ending chattel slavery in the United States, not the least of which were John Brown, the 48ers, and others who were doing what they did for the goal of Abolition primarily.
The vast majority of northern politicians, generals, and soldiers, were engaged in the Civil war to preserve the Union, first and foremost. Abolition was a distant secondary concern for most of them.
Furthermore, Slaves weren’t just sitting on their asses waiting to be freed by the benevolence of white people, they were agents of history all on their own. W.E.B. DuBois argued in Black Reconstruction in America that an underdiscussed turning point in the Civil War was when slaves engaged in one of the largest general strikes in American history. A strike which crippled the southern economy and thus its ability to sustain the war.
So yes, Slavery did end in very large part because the slaves revolted.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
It’s not revisionist at at all. In fact you partially agreed with me, that WHITE abolitionists were prime agents of ending slavery.
Slavery ended IN PART because the slaves resisted, but it’s revisionist history to pretend that the enormous Civil War that killed millions of Americans, mostly white, didn’t play the most major role in the end of slavery.
There wasn’t a single American slave revolt that contributed substantially to the end of slavery. When Union armies started encroaching on Southern territory, slaves abandoned their posts, and headed to Northern lines, but it wasn’t anything organized. DuBois characterized it as a General Strike, but it was really just the slaves taking advantage of the opportunity of a lifetime. There was no organized revolt, no General Strike, just individual motivation to escape while it was possible.
Sure, the Union Army was fighting to preserve the Union, but they were also well aware that the ONLY issue that was dividing the Union was slavery. Literally every Southern Constitution, and the Confederate Declaration of Independence made it very clear that their single issue was slavery. Without Slavery, there is no Civil War. And without the mostly white Union Army, the South would have continued with slavery.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sounds like you’re a white savior
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
No, I have a degree in history. I prefer facts to vibes.
The simple truth is that slavery was ended by the Civil War, with a Union Army that was 10% black soldiers, and 90% white soldiers. That’s just a simple fact, from our National Archives.
It isn’t revisionist history to acknowledge that slavery was ended primarily through the deaths of white soldiers, and pointing that out doesn’t make me a white savior. I have also heavily studied Critical Race Theory, and think it should be taught at a high school level in America. I think we could go a long way in educating Americans about the true and significant contributions of black Americans, but that doesn’t require making up new facts that support our personal fantasies. That’s MAGA thinking.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
i think some people are missing the point in that its making fun of the people that do this for the vanity instead of actually caring
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Correct
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
If it’s intended to call out the vain, why does it say white liberals?
night_petal@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
I am a cis white woman. My opinion has never, in my life, mattered to any real consequence. I am not liberal, I am an anarchist. Fuck this title. My opinion has never mattered in the scheme of things and never will. What’s the best I could ever do? Be loud on Twitter? Maybe run for minor local office and lose to a rich fuck? No. My opinions do not, in fact matter. They never have, and they never will.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Perfect
slowmolaggins@thelemmy.club 4 weeks ago
This is a hilarious take. How far do you think it would go if only black people cared about black problems? If only black people fought against slavery, I’m almost certain it would still be widespread publicly. It still certainly is t fixed. We still have systemic corruption and incarceration based servitude for slave wages, but on an individual level, it’s been mostly taken care of and because it wasn’t just the directly affect fighting against it. No, minorities do not need anyone to speak for them, but other people, especially those of the same race as the oppressors, it needs to happen. Otherwise “they’re just being uppity again.”
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Get em dude
Red_October@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Imagine thinking that only minorities can stand up for minority rights. What’s your suggestion then, that White people have no business doing anything but maintaining the status quo, because it’s not their place to speak out for others?
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Imagine
EffortlessGrace@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
He was a big fan of segregation.
EffortlessGrace@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
I’m married to a white woman. I think advocacy for segregation is a flawed and impractical position, but, at the risk of hypocrisy, I understand and commiserate with the foundation behind the argument.
Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 4 weeks ago
Blood over Bright Haven. A book that, among other things, is about discovering how to be a good ally.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Modern White savior complex.
sik0fewl@piefed.ca 4 weeks ago
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’m left
sik0fewl@piefed.ca 4 weeks ago
Then they came for the shitposters.