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I think there's an imposter amongus

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨fossilesque@mander.xyz⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

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  • it_depends_man@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If you write something that you base on your previous work, but you don’t cite your previous work, that’s a problem.

    How is the peer reviewer supposed to know who the author is, I thought obfuscating that was the whole point…

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    • oyfrog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Not always—it depends on the publisher for sure, and possibly the field (e.g., physics, chemistry).

      In biology, you have several models for peer review. Completely blind reviews where both reviewers and authors are anonymized. You also have semi blind models where the reviewers know the identities of the authors, but the authors don’t know reviewers’ identities. You also have open reviews where everyone knows one another’s identities.

      In completely blind and semi-blind models, you occasionally have reviewers that reveal their identity.

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      • errer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        In physics nothing is blinded, and people post their shit to the arxiv when they submit anyway

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    • BossDj@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      She was told to read and cite the other work. I take that as meaning she hadn’t intended to use her previous work as a source, but they wanted her to

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    • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s a catch-22 situation. You are supposed to disclose if you wrote the thing you’re citing, but also cite in third person, and also it should be obfuscated for the peer review. So, what happens is that you write something like “in the author’s previous work (yourownname, 2017)…” then that gets censored by yourself or whoever is in charge of the peer review, “in (blank) previous work (blank)…”. Now, if you’re experienced in reviews you can probably guess it is the author of the paper you’re reviewing. But you still don’t know who it is, and you could never guess right whether it is Ruth Gotian or not. So you’re back to the tweet’s situation.

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      • Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        How are you supposed to disclose you wrote it? You just include the authors in the cite. You don’t write “as I(we) claimed/proved in [paper]”, you wrote “as claimed/proved in [paper]”. Who cares if you wrote it or not. It should stand by itself.

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  • snoons@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Go cite yourself.

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    • fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You do need to do that though.

      If someone wants to read further information they need the citations.

      You are supposed to cite all your relevant previous works in each paper you publish.

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      • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        She probably did. But the reviewer won’t know that as the paper (should) get anonymized before review. The author’s own name will be censored all the way throughout the paper.

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      • PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        You are absolutely right, but how are you going to make a fire Twitter post if you can’t engineer a situation like this? 🤔

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      When I was in graduate school I got snared into evaluating potential new professor hires. One guy had like a couple of thousand publications, but they were all in journals that he had founded and was the editor of and nobody but himself and his friends ever got published in them. I pointed this out in a meeting and somehow this did not disqualify him from consideration.

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      • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Image

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  • halvar@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You just have to change your name, go to a conference, stand on the stage and announce, that you are Et al.

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Et al phone home!

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  • eru@mouse.chitanda.moe ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    if you state something based on previous work in the field even if its your own you should still cite it…

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    • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The implication that the reviewer thinks they’re stupid and need to read more papers and try again.

      Not that they’re mis-citing works.

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    • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No should, but must.

      In Academia, stupid as it is, if you use or cite previous work of yours without citing it, it’s plagiarism.

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      • ProfessorPeregrine@reddthat.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s not stupid. Anyone reading needs to know where a statement or conclusion comes from in case they need to check and see how that conclusion was reached in the first place.

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  • zebidiah@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    But doctor…

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    • roundup5381@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I Am Pagliacci

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    • TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I am Bibliography

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  • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Suddenly remembered Mitch Hedberg saying on stage, after some of his newer material didn’t land as well, “My old shit’s better than my new shit~”

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  • Engywuck@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s a win-win

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  • TomMasz@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    But are you Ruth Gotianough?

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  • BootyEnthusiast@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I am Spartacus

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