Probably invaluable if you’re intent on pumping out slop.
Video games are an art. If you outsource your art to shitty robots…what service is it that you’re providing? What are you doing that I can’t do my fucking self.
AI was a common theme at Gamescom 2025, and while some indie teams say it's invaluable, it remains an ethical nightmare
Submitted 21 hours ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
https://www.eurogamer.net/ai-was-everywhere-at-gamescom-2025
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Ulrich@feddit.org 15 hours ago
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Making the rest of the video game.
lime@feddit.nu 7 hours ago
all parts of videogames are art. sound, visuals, level design, code. you could make the argument that someone who enjoys some of those things but not all of them could more easily get a thing out the door if they could automate one part of it.
De_Narm@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Honestly, it would be weird for any industry to start caring about ethics after all this time.
Not an endorsement of AI but a criticism of capitalism.
salty_chief@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
AI is the future. Sure you can hate on it all you like. Can’t stop progress.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Ya you can, stop using it and don’t. No use, no VC money nor customers. Business baby
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Heh. Out of curiosity how many nfts did you buy?
salty_chief@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Zero. I took a deep dive into nfts and determined they were problematic.
itkovian@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
All I ask is in what way are LLMs progress. Ability to generate a lot of slop is pretty much only thing LLMs are good for. Even that is not really cheap, especially factoring the environmental costs.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 45 minutes ago
LLMs are actually spectacular for indexing large amounts of text data and pulling out the answer to a query. Combine that with natural language processing and it is literally what we all thought Ask Jeeves was back in the day. If you ever spent time sifting through stack overflow pages or parsing discussion threads, that is what it is good at. And many models actually provide ways to get a readout of the “thought process” and links to pages that support the answer which drastically reduces the impact of hallucinations.
And many of those don’t necessarily require significant power usage… relative to what is already running in data centers.
The problem is that people use it and decide it is “like magic” and then insist on using it for EVERYTHING. And you go from “Write me a simple function to interface with this specific API” to “Write me an application to do my taxes”
Of course, there is also the issue of where training data comes from. Which is why so much of the “generative AI” stuff is so disgusting because it is just stealing copyrighted data left and right. Rather than the search engine style LLMs that mostly just ignore the proverbial
README_FBI.txtfile.And the “this is magic” is on both sides. The evangelists are demonstrably morons. But the rabid anti-AI/“AI” crowd are just as bad with “it gave you a wrong answer, it is worthless”. Think of it less like a magic box and more like asking a question on a message board. You are gonna get a LOT of FUD and it is on you to do additional searches to corroborate when it actually matters.
salty_chief@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Sure everything starts with meager beginnings. The AI you’re upset about existing may find the cure to many diseases. It may save the planet one day.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
It can be stopped just like climate change but we won‘t and kill humanity instead apparently.
salty_chief@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
We as humans can take steps to lessen our impact on the planet. We cannot stop climate change. The planet by design will always change climates. It has changed without humans influence and it will continue after we are gone.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
doesn’t have to be an ethical nightmare. Public domain datasets on local hardware using renewable eletricity, who’s mad now, the artist you already can’t afford to pay because you have no fucking money anyway?
very_well_lost@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
AI would be fine if we just changed everything about it
lol
onslaught545@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
Not all LLMs are the same. You can absolutely take a neural network model and train it yourself on your own dataset that doesn’t violate copyright.
eldebryn@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Out of legit curiosity, how many models do you know trained exclusively on public domain data, which are actually useful?
lime@feddit.nu 7 hours ago
anything trained on common corpus. which, oddly, is harder to find than the actual training data.
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 16 hours ago
Beyond the copyright issues and energy issues, AI does some serious damage to your ability to do actual hard research. And I'm not just talking about "AI brain."
Let's say you're looking to solve a programming problem. If you use a search engine and look up the question or a string of keywords, what do you usually do? You look through each link that comes up and judge books by their covers (to an extent). "Do these look like reputable sites? Have I heard of any of them before?" You scroll click a bunch of them and read through them. Now you evaluate their contents. "Have I already tried this info? Oh this answer is from 15 years ago, it might be outdated." Then you pare down your links to a smaller number and try the solution each one provides, one at a time.
Now let's say you use an AI to do the same thing. You pray to the Oracle, and the Oracle responds with a single answer. It's a total soup of its training data. You can't tell where specifically it got any of this info. You just have to trust it on faith. You try it, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. If it doesn't, you have to write a new prayer try again.
Even running a local model means you can't discern the source material from the output. This isn't Garbage In Garbage Out, but Stew In Soup Out. You can feed an AI a corpus of perfectly useful information, but it will churn everthing into a single liquidy mass at the end. And because the process is destructive, you can't un-soup the output. You've robbed yourself of the ability to learn from the input, and put all your faith into the Oracle.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
The topic is : using AIs for game dev.
- I’m pretty sure that generating placeholder art isn’t going to ruin my ability to research
- AIs need to be used TAKING THEIR FLAWS INTO ACCOUNT and for very specific things.
I’m just going to be upfront: AI haters don’t know the actual way this shit works except that by existing, LLMS drain oceans and create more global warming than the entire petrol industry, and AI bros are filling their codebases with junk code that’s going to explode in their faces from anywhere between 6 months to 3 years.
Mika@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
you can’t be critical about the answer
You actually can, and you should be. And the process is not destructive since you can always undo in tools like cursor, or discard in git.
Besides, you can steer a good coding LLM in a right direction. The better you understand what are you doing - the better.
itkovian@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Eurogamer is shit. You can serve ads without tracking. But, they don’t care.
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