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  • logicbomb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I remember the distinct feeling of hazing from my professors. You know, “The reason you have to suffer now is that I suffered when I went through the same thing. If we fix the problem and stop the suffering, then all of my suffering would be meaningless, and that wouldn’t feel fair to me.”

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    • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Sounds the same as MDs and residents.

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    • Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      “the cycle of trauma will continue”

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    • pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Argument of defenders against student loan debt forgiveness

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    • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I had a manager who wouldn’t respect anyone who didn’t yell at him. Seriously. He had serious anger issues and would fly off the handle over nothing. He directed a lot of shit at me in particular, probably because I’ve been traumatized by crap like this before and that sociopath probably sensed it. I wasn’t yet aware of a lot of resources I know about today, didn’t have the self-esteem I’ve since found, and I was homeless at the time (thank goodness, I had friends who let me stay temporarily), so I absolutely depended on this job.

      One day, a coworker told me that he only stops picking on someone when they yell at him. Sadly, I can’t give you the satisfying response you’re probably expecting: I refused to yell at him. I thought the entire idea was absurd, extremely unprofessional, and had the potential to backfire terribly.

      I wish I could say that was the last manager to pick on me, but thankfully the last one was a mental health professional and had the listening skills to take my feedback … albeit only after she made me cry.

      Man, I didn’t mean to trauma-dump. But after the shit I’ve been through, I can’t imagine attempting to pass such suffering onto others. I’m extremely grateful for the supportive environment that (usually) surrounds the therapy field. It feels good to be honest with managers and supervisors and know they respect constructive criticism. I can almost feel my heart healing.

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      • msprout@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I had one of these colleagues. He insisted that he respects force, but whenever I pushed back, homie would run crying to our mutual boss.

        One time, I snapped and yelled at him that I am a 15 year veteran, I know how to do my job. I ended up being forced to apologize to him for not respecting his ‘many years of experience.’

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      • Mac@mander.xyz ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You won by not stooping, even if it doesn’t feel that way.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      the PI in labs also believe 80-100hrs a week is the norm for graduate students.

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  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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    Classic Groening.

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    • Hope@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Hey I wasn’t unable to finish my thesis, I hadn’t even really started!

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      • Kratzkopf@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        #relatable

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  • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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  • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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  • kadup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    What’s with the recent influx of posts against higher education, or more in general, anti-education posts?

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    • treadful@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You’re in the Science Memes comm. It’s self-deprecating.

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    • marcos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Around here, it’s probably because people are deeply aware of all the problems and unaware of all the gains.

      The neighbor’s grass is always greener…

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      • AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        What are the gains?

        Everyone I know with PhDs don’t really get paid more for doing the same job(s) I do.

        And some are in research so it’s just a constant stress of continuing to get funding and stuff.

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    • Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Found the grad student! Which is it bud, history or art?

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      • kadup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Masters in bioinformatics, but I’d be proud to be on art or history, your comments only reflects the limitations of your own weak mind.

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    • Dialectical_Idealist@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Academia is absolutely fucked. The job market was already bad before Trump and he’s certainly not helping

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      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        when indeed forums was around thats exactly what people claimed in threads, masters, maybe phd(rarely) led to extreme difficulty in the job searchs

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  • Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Personally I can say turning my back on academia has made me a happier, healthier person.

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    • Pringles@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      A friend of mine is a professor in anthropology and he told me that he stayed in academia because he was afraid of change and academia was something he knew well.

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      • ArrrborDAY@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨minute⁩ ago

        I struggled emotionally when I left academia for a couple years before and after leaving. Now, years later I’m very happy I left. But I did struggle with re-anchoring my sense of success for a long time. I felt like I had failed because I didn’t stay on the tenure track. But it was fine not being there.

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      • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I’ve heard that about prisoners.

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      • Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        because he was afraid of change

        I get that but the way I see it fear is a great motor and a horrible advisor. If you avoid everything unknown life will end up feeling lackluster and more dangerous than it actually is.

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    • GandalftheBlack@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I was considering doing a masters in Germanic linguistics (graduated last year). I would’ve enjoyed it, but I have a job now that lets me actually save up money, while still allowing me to indulge my academic interests in my spare time, and I’m certain I made the right choice. I know for a fact that at the end of the day, doing a masters would have ultimately meant one or two years’ delay to the start of my career and basically no advantage in the job market. Maybe this goes more for humanities students (although I imagine it’s also the case for a lot of STEM students), but I think this video by Dr Jackson Crawford is a really good sympathetic and pragmatic approach for people considering going into academia.

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  • mr_account@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    As someone who might be going to grad school soon to wait out this bullshit job market…ouch

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      its going to get worst for the job market in the sciences. it was pretty bad in the 2010s, certainly witht he cuts its probably worst now. EUROPE might be an option if your going for a PHD.

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      • mr_account@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Certainly not going all the way to PHD, but I might have the opportunity to go for Master’s on a grant that waives tuition. Not sure what else to do right now since graduating with a CS degree in this tech market has been a dumpster fire…

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  • weariedfae@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Lol, yeah. I had to pay for most of my M.S. though so I made negative money.

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    • KittyCat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I did the same while working full time, it was worth it though, paid for itself within 3 years

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  • SillyDude@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Whenever I think I’m fucking up I remember that at least I’m not spending 10 years learning to teach from those who couldn’t do so they teach.

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    • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Some of those who teach do so because they actually enjoy it, find meaning in it. Wretched though we may be, some of us believe that knowledge has inherent value without application. A pity you’re so closed-minded that you reject the very idea of it. I have met more compassionate and caring people in the teaching profession (before I ever chose that as a field) than in any other part of life. It’s pitifully ironic to come into a community of science and disparage education. How sad.

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  • Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    😢

    😭

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  • Dialectical_Idealist@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The good thing about the Trump budget cuts is grad students realizing doing literally anything else is more lucrative (while they also work toward their degree).

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      more than likely they are abandoning said degree for something else

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