Submitted 1 week ago by SleafordMod@feddit.uk to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/976598be-5041-48ab-aa1a-2a131bd71777.webp
Source: reuters.com/…/luigi-mangione-accused-us-ceo-murde…
The story at that link is about 1 month old, but someone posted about this mural on Reddit yesterday.
Thoughts?
My main thought is that this is very remeniscent of the way saints are portrayed in stained glass.
Honestly, aside from what Mangione did and whether it can be justified, I just think this shows how America-brained so much of the UK is. The guy lives and committed his crime on the other side of the ocean in a context which does not exist in this country. I would personally prefer for him not to be executed but I don’t understand what anyone’s thinking when they use him as an icon over here.
I don’t understand what anyone’s thinking when they use him as an icon over here.
We are also governed by billionaires who own our press and control our politicians. It doesn’t matter than Mangione did what he did three and a half thousand miles away, what matters is that he is a symbol for the ultimate sanction the people can have against a billionaire class who are otherwise unaccountable and untouchable.
Brian Thompson was not a billionaire. As for the ‘unaccountable’ class our side of the pond, just yesterday a prominent political megadonor and former hedge fund manager was banned from working in financial services, so neither side of your analogy stands up to very much scrutiny.
Are you being purposefully obtuse? You could say the exact same thing about Robin Hood.
It just goes to show how England brained America is. What business does America have making movies and TV shows about a 12th Century English folk hero? America hadn’t even been discovered in the 12th Century, how can you have context in the US for his actions?
It’s a story about a little guy who broke the law to stand up for the greater good while risking his own life to do so. That kind of heroism is borderless. Luigi Mangione may have killed one person but the person he killed was responsible for the death and chronic pain of thousands. I think we English understand that very well indeed.
Fictional characters and real people are not actually the same kind of thing, and how people read them are not equivalent.
Luigi Mangione did not do anything. He allegedly killed someone. He is innocent until he is proven guilty. You cant assume that just because someone is suspected for committing a crime, they actually committed the crime
Okay, this isn’t a court and it’s absolutely fine for people in casual conversation to say he did something when there’s strong evidence that he did.
Strictly speaking if he yelled ‘I did it and I’d do it again’ at the cameras on his way into court, he’d still be ‘innocent till proven guilty’ but no one would insist that actually meant he ‘hadn’t done it’.
In any case, as to our wider discussion, you’d then be disagreeing with many of the people here and arguing that people painted his face on a wall because he didn’t do anything.
You forgot the last part of that phrase: innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. We are not in a court of law, we’re in the the court of public opinions, where I can, and will, say I think he did it. Doesn’t mean I think he did anything wrong though.
The guy lives and committed his crime on the other side of the ocean in a context which does not exist in this country.
The word “tenement” has a negative connotation specifically because of the UK’s treatment of the working poor. The Grenfell Tower was only 8 years ago. You guys might not have the health insurance issue we have but you certainly have the “Paradise class killing and causing suffering for monetary gain” problem that is the root cause of both issues.
By far the most coherent response, thank you. I still think the contexts are sufficiently different that I find it odd that anyone would feel the need to paint his face on a wall thousands of miles away.
I just think this shows how America-brained so much of the UK is.
Yep, they already had the majority of brands and culture back in the 70s/80s/90’s but since the internet and especially since social media we’ve never been so american
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM Comments are turned off.
Speaking as a Dutchie, I hope the big American middle finger (and Hitler salute) will at least lead to their culture not being so omnipresent in European countries anymore.
I’d like that for Feddit too, actually…
The UK: America without so much fascism and with better health care!
You don’t understand why a country full of oppressed people enslaved to billionaires would empathise with citizens of another country experiencing similar oppression? Why not?
I think you probably understand why it’s ridiculous when right wingers say that socialised healthcare = Stalinism, and so on an identical basis you should see it’s ridiculous to describe the people of the UK as oppressed slaves.
I don’t understand what anyone’s thinking when they use him as an icon over here. i mean cmon usa isnt the only place where a lot of people want some rly rich people to die
Do insurance companies not rip off people in the UK?
We don’t have the same health insurance system as the US, but I really feel for people anywhere in the world who fall ill and can’t access affordable healthcare.
There is health insurance if you want it in the UK, but most people use the National Health Service, which is free. I am always grateful for this.
Great evils create great folk heros. Luigi is a hero forever.
Mangione has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder as an act of terrorism
Act of terrorism? Yeah sure…
It might still be there. The article I got the OP image from is about 1 month old, but someone posted photos of it on Reddit yesterday: old.reddit.com/…/luigi_mangione_in_bethnal_green/
Americans view themselves as temporary embarrassed CEOs, so yea violence against CEOs is terrorism for americansm
Internet jokes aside, it seems pretty weak to be venerating killers like this.
I’ll accept your down votes with grace.
Well he is suspected of murder, we don’t technically know if he did. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
I thought that only applied to conservatives who have been accused of sexual harassment.
Being serious though, I agree with @mannycalavera@feddit.uk that killers probably shouldn’t be venerated, but it’s definitely interesting that the Luigi case has inspired a lot of discussion, so I wondered what Lemmy users might think about this mural.
He allegedly shot someone who was killing many other people for money.
Alleged killer, he has not been convicted of anything
It’s definitely sad and unfortunate that someone had to die, but I heard they were using unethical means to exploit vulnerable people and cause the deaths of many others.
If the police weren’t going to do anything about the CEO, then sadly, it’s ultimately necessary for a vigilante to step up.
It’s why you need a fair legal system.
It’s why you need a fair legal system.
This.
If the police weren’t going to do anything about the CEO, then sadly, it’s ultimately necessary for a vigilante to step up.
But not this.
If someone (a CEO, a powerful business man, a politician, whatever) is doing something so egregiously wrong then club together to raise awareness, take legal action, shame them in the press, set up you own alternatives. Going straight to murder is not the answer.
Yet it scares me that so many people think it is 😢😬.
Not allowed to down vote. You speak hurty words. That’s violence.
Good to know we aren’t all idiots.
How is this related to the UK?
That’s where London is traditionally found.
Teach us your ways, oh wise one.
mural is in london
I don’t want to mass respond to all the replies but what I meant was:
This is such a nonsensical take. It’s art. Just because we don’t have the same system here doesn’t mean people don’t understand or shouldn’t have opinions on it. Do you listen to American music? Watch American TV programs or films? If so, why? They transpose politics from the States and therefore should be avoided.
Everyone, no matter where they live, is entitled to their opinion. Even if it is nonsensical.
People supporting something you don’t agree with doesn’t mean they’re doing it for popularity points, just the same as you supporting something that I don’t wouldn’t have me saying you’re doing it for points.
Shocking but people have beliefs, whether right or wrong.
he took another life in cold-blood
Hasn’t been proven, yet, so he’s innocent still. Also: it wasn’t cold blood, whoever shot the guy was angry and targeting him specifically
Lick that CEO boot harder, you’ll surely get a share soon!
Also whomever perpetrated the assassination was a hero long before we knew what Luigi looked like
What? I don’t typically find males attractive and I was supportive of this man’s actions way before I knew what he looked like.
Also, isn’t it a bit too soon to say he hasn’t accomplished anything through his violence. I mean at the very least he’s sparked a massive discourse about how Americans have a fucked up health industry. This is all while the media pretends he doesn’t exist anymore because they realised that sympathy for Brian Thompson was… lacking to say the least.
You upset you want him
Brian Thompson killed tons of people in cold blood. There’s basically zero chance he would have seen any justice for that in the foreseeable future. Taking him out was no different than taking out an active shooter.
Oh wow, he did? No need to have the trial callisto on Lemmy declared that he did indeed commit the crimes that he has not yet been found guilty of in a court of law
All of which was handled improperly by the police. The arrest the evidence all of it fruit of the poisonous tree. It’s gonna be a mistrial.
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 1 week ago
Pretty clever use of the arch and the golden painted bricks to create an icon.