Those organs appear to be lungs.
Hopsital
Submitted 1 year ago by isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca to [deleted]
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TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 year ago
The mildly infuriating part is how obviously fake it is
DrQuint@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Earlier on Lemmy’s life, there was someone here telling people of how many fake reddit stories they had written to places like Am I The Asshole using numerous alts.
And how they were convinced of doing it because they were an editor, and they were used to seeing so much badly written anecdotes with no respect for narrative or proper focus on details of importance… Until Reddit hapenned and flipped that. It was a source of far too many interesting and well edited stories and something was off. They were certain that the average person with a story to tell was far less educated in English than what Reddit had to offer, and the answer was that people were just using it as a creative writing exercise platform. So, they used it that way too, since they wanted to bea fiction writer.
SymphonicResonance@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Nah, that brain tumor just has its own rib cage, vertebral column, sternum…
Dicska@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, and it turns your skull into a Bundt cake.
half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I’ve never tried this, but advice I’ve seen online is if your doctor won’t order testing, ask them to note in your chart that they are declining testing. Apparently the implicit threat of a lawsuit if they’re wrong is enough to kick at least some of them into CYA mode.
OtakuAltair@lemm.ee 1 year ago
On that note, why would they decline tests in the first place? You’re the one paying.
godzillabacter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Pharmacist and 4th year medical student here. Medical tests are ordered based upon their statistical ability to alter your likelihood of a diagnosis. No test is perfect in either direction (negative result meaning you don’t have disease or positive result indicating you have disease). Tests cost money, take resources of the healthcare system, and have the potential to be wrong. When a test is wrong, it can result in financial, emotional, and physical harm to an individual.
Example: you’re an otherwise healthy 34 year old and you feel a little under the weather and are coughing. It’s only been going on a few days, mild fever, but you’re worried and you go to the doctor. Your doctor thinks this is most likely a viral infection, recommends Tylenol and ibuprofen and sends you home. You imply to the doctor you’ll sue if you don’t get antibiotics and a chest x-ray just to be safe. The doctor, rather than argue with you when they have a dozen other patients to see, just orders the stuff and moves on. The chest X ray doesn’t explain your cough, but there’s a small lesion of undetermined significance on the X-ray. Now you need a CT. The CT says “probably a self-limited granuloma from a fungal infection, can’t rule out cancer, correlate with biopsy”. Then you have to go get sedated, put a camera down your throat, and have a pulmonologist take a sample of your lung to see if you have cancer. Maybe you end up with a complication from the sedation or a pneumothorax. Meanwhile the antibiotics you took didn’t really improve your cough but now you have this uncomfortable itchy rash. Are you allergic to the amoxicillin? Or did you just develop the typical rash seen in people who have mononucleosis that also take amoxicillin? Will you get allergy testing for the amoxicillin? Just avoid amoxicillin, an awesome antibiotic, for the rest of your life?
We are restrictive in our prescribing of medications and tests not because we don’t care about you, not because we want to save the hospital or the insurance company money (in fact the hospital prefers we order more things because they make money on testing). We are restrictive because we want to maximize benefit while minimizing risk, and everything we do has risks and benefits.
Goseki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because tests have harm. The average persone doesn’t understand what the sensitivity and specificity of a test means.
hoerbinator@feddit.de 1 year ago
Well I’m guessing that the healthcare will pay it. And at least in Switzerland, the healthcare can announce official that they won’t pay anymore for anything that one doctor decides/order. So if the doctor orders to many thing, that the healthcare has to cover, then he soonly will lose his job. So in this way the doctor will only order stuff that are really needed and maybe won’t make a test against cancer (but this happens not really often)
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Possibly Kaiser, or similar, where they’re the ones paying themselves which is somehow legal?
PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There are some tests that can do harm to patients. In this case obviously a CT scan should have been ordered immediately, but not every pt with a cough needs a fat dose of radiation.
Goseki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s terrible advice. I don’t know if any doctor that is “out to get you” by not ordering tests. Tests are not harmless. Improper testing can kill you. For example, you have a headache with no red flag symptoms. You keep pushing, some doctor orders an MRI and now you have what we call an incidentaloma. Some incidental mass that isn’t going to cause you any issue and is unrelated to your headache. Now you latch on to this abnormal thing, you worry about it, it affects your life. More scans and tests are done to figure out what this is. Eventually a biopsy is offered. Good news, it’s just some normal cells that happen to look funny on MRI, but completely benign. Bad news, the biopsy had complications and now you’re wheelchair bound for the rest of your life.
It’s thoughts like this where the “advocate for yourself” has turned into the “threaten the person that dedicated multiple decades of their life to help others to get what you want” that has lead to the insanely piss poor defensive medicine in the United States.
Tldr: refer every patient and order every tests until someone dies of bankruptcy or an unecessary complication because webmd.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bad news, the biopsy had complications and now you’re wheelchair bound for the rest of your life.
how often does this actually occur? I assume if they’re doing biopsies of brain material there’s a risk but seems like it’s a low probability if they’re biopsi-ing your liver…
Also, when physicians find something wacky or unusual, is there any desire to do more imagine to see if that’s the only oddness? for example, I had a retrocecal appendix (discovered during my appendectomy) - is that the only thing going on that’s funky / unusual, or should I check / have imagine for other stuff? My docs didn’t have a consistent answer - one said yeah, one said nah, one said it’s nbd but if it was their appendix they might ask for other tests. :|
Fortunately my insurance is about as likely to pay for extra stuff as it is to cut my copay to zero, so it’s not an issue I can address, but it does hang around in the back of my head.
Thanks for your insights!
half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
That advice was born from women minorities struggling to get doctors to take their concerns seriously. Look, I get that medicine is a risk/benefit analysis, but patients also need some level of recourse if they aren’t being listened to. I can’t imagine what it would feel like to be pushing for tests because you know something is off, only to finally be tested and told it’s too late, maybe if it was caught sooner. Yet, we know this happens. We also know that women and minorities receive demonstrably different care. That fact alone shows there are plenty of situations where a patient may need to fiercely advocate for themselves and question their doctors’ judgment.
I’m not saying completely ignore medical professionals and scream “lawsuit” because google. However, you live in your body and understand your own baseline more than anybody. Sometimes you absolutely can tell if something is truly wrong. Personally, I learned the difference between bad pain and there-is-something-fucking-wrong-you need-to-go-to-the-ER pain in my early 20s when I had ovarian torsion. Thankfully, I was at one of the best hospitals in the country, got a CT scan, and was in surgery lickety split. However, I met someone who had pretty much the exact same symptoms and story and ended up losing an ovary because she was sent home from the ER with them telling her it was normal cramps & anxiety.
Ultimately, imo it should be about informed consent. If you’ve gotten the same answer from 5 doctors and you still want the biopsy, despite the risks that have been plainly laid out for your, then fine. If you end up paralyzed, then you have to deal with the consequences of your decision.
OppositeOfOxymoron@infosec.pub 1 year ago
FYI, finding an incidentaloma and doing another scan 3 months later to see that it’s disappeared is also life saving. My mother had a lung problem, got some imaging done, they found a lump in her lung, and instead of going directly to poking it for a biopsy or surgery, they checked 4 months later, and saw that it resolved on it’s own. If it was cancer, they would have seen changes in it, and known it was something to be investigated further at the time of the second scan. Doctors need to manage expectations and refer people for therapy if they have anxiety around their health.
alaxitoo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This happened with my mum but with breast cancer, ended up dying because of it, very infuriating
big_slap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
my condolences friend.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If a doctor pulled this sort of bullshit with me and was just like “lol oops sorry I guess you’re gonna die”, there is a part of me that would want to take that motherfucker out with me, and I’m honestly not sure whether or not vengeance brain or regular brain would win.
If it was brain cancer, I guess I could just off the shitty doc and say it was personality alteration brought on by the tumor.
explodicle@local106.com 1 year ago
Why lie if you’re going to die anyways?
The whole point of malpractice is to reimburse families when this happens, because human incompetence is inevitable yet we need humans to do these jobs.
can@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m so sorry
EhList@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s an image of a brain? That looks like the abdomen
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 year ago
If that’s a brain it belongs to the elephant man…
Madison420@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Those are lungs seen top down. Those white ovals around the left and right sides sorta hugging the black areas are ribs, the white arrow shape is a vertebrae the hole in it for the spinal cord.
I’m not a rad tech or doctor but I’m 99% sure.
thalamus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s a transverse section so it’s not really ‘top down’ or ‘bottom up’. It’s a thin slice where the densities of the tissue is calculated by sending through X-rays from around the body and measuring how much gets trough from each angle and then letting a computer do some fancy math.
bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Is a rad tech a fancy name for a plumber?
cath@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I know someone who has been having all sorts of medical problems for the last few years. In and out of ER every few days sometimes, always got discharged with “idk”
They finally did a biopsy and It came back cancer.
They’re probably fucked with mets as it took so long to diagnose. No full body scan yet but it’s not going to be good.
Fuck cancer.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve never seen “mets” used in this fashion, though generally as much disdain, as in “Who’s your baseball team?” with the reply being “Fucking Mets.”
DulyNoted@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh I thought I was a plural for like “metastisizeds”
Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Same thing happened to my grandma with diabetes. They kept calling it hypochondria.
wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Which is insane, given that they could test her blood sugar for pennies in two seconds and still charge her dollars.
It’s not like they need an MRI for that.
jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social 1 year ago
People just completely lost track of what “mildly infuriating” meant, maybe because there’s no venue for r/IncandescentRage (who would want to mod that?).
It’s like when the tiles in the floor are crooked, and it’s making you angrier than it ought, lady, that’s mildly infuriating. This? You need to sue this motherfucker, so the settlement pays for the hopeless surgery you’re about to have, for fuck’s sake. This is not mildly infuriating, you should be screaming and punching the walls.
Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It looks more like an abdomen seen from above but whatever, that person’s dying because of some doctors not doing anything
Alwaysfallingupyup@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Who else saw a space ship going into space??
Shady_Shiroe@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I see it now and I can’t unsee it
CamelCase@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Hate when that happens
Dxthegod@lemmy.world 1 year ago
something similar actually happened to me once as a baby, and it turned out i had meningitis lmao
barttier@feddit.de 1 year ago
Is she preganent?
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Lanusensei87@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I like how r/mildlyinfuriating is full of injustices and crimes instead of like, a slightly misaligned tile.
Steeve@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Redditors are immortal beings with very little regard for mortal human lives, and as such view stage 4 cancer as a minor inconvenience much like a slightly misaligned tile.
GunnarRunnar@kbin.social 1 year ago
Thats what goes for mildly inconvenient these days.