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JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The US uses lib to mean socially liberal, in opposition to the cons. The rest of the world uses it to mean fiscally liberal, as in support of not regulating capitalist markets.

  Non-US people often get pissy that a word can have more than one definition.

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  • roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And even more generally, Western liberal democracy which most flavors of anarchism and socialism view as a system that is neither based on securing liberty or particularly democratic.

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  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Thank you, that makes more sense.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      If you don’t know what liberal means, sure.

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• sean@lemmy.wtf ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m an anarchist socialist. We hate tankies, we hate libs. Libs are capitalists. Tankies are authoritarian. We got both of those.

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  • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Tangent topic, but how does an anarchist system prevent popular leaders from gaining authority? Also, how does it defend against an aggressive authoritarian neighbour that wants to annex territory?

    I like the idea of anarchism in theory, but I just don’t see how it could be possible to get there from here where every existing power would see it as an ideological threat to their own power (similar to how capitalist powers reacted to communism), or how it would maintain stability if it was realized.

    And as much as I don’t like the monopoly on violence system because it seems to encourage corruption on the side with more access to violence, I can’t help but think it would eventually devolve into a lot of in-fighting.

    Like power constantly rises from nothing more than physical strength, charisma, or good strategic thinking in groups of humans. Some primates other than humans go to war with their neighbouring groups. Egypt became a kingdom when one tribe conquered the rest, and that one wasn’t the first to try. Countless empires have risen and fallen, most of the time despite violent resistance of those who would rather be neighbours than subjects. The Vikings sailed around raiding for their own benefit and then later conquered regions like in France, Britain, Sicily, and Kiev. The Mongols did the same except using horses instead of boats. Then European powers did it. Then America started pretty much puppeting anyone who went against corporate interests while a cultural movement in Russia and China started out trying to move power out of the hands of their ruling class only to see even more authoritarian powers take over.

    History is full of cases of “I don’t care what you want, this is what I want and I’ll just kill you if you don’t go along with it.” How could that change?

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Anarchist Socialist

    OK, libshit

    /s

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  • frostysauce@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We’re apparently not speaking the language. I’m a liberal, and I’m a socialist.

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    • sean@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Do you wish to end capitalism? If no, you are, in fact a liberal.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Because

      You

      Don’t

      Know

      What

      Either

      Liberal

      Or

      Socialist

      Means

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There are a bunch of folks in some of the skeevier corners of the fediverse that think Liberalism means Capitalism which they in turn view as the source of all evil.

      Nevermind the fact that their political ideal has no real world equivalent aside from maybe Bhutan where the vast majority of people live like medieval peasants and their entire system of government exists to enrich a few elite off of the world’s most expensive tourism.

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    • Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In Lemmy, and I would say in the Fediverse in general, the population skews left. That means there are more terms to describe the spectrum. Mainstream media and social media label anyone centrist and towards the left as liberals. And of course the Far Right labels the same people as socialists scum.

      My rubric for here in the fediverse is as follows. Liberals are generally referred to as capitalists and/or believe capitalism is still the best economic system that only needs minor reforms, along with social justice reforms. Tankies are generally the ones that want to enforce the social and economic reforms with an iron fist, even against the populace at large if necessary. Leftists are generally anarcho-something (socialist/communist), and believe major change is needed beyond the system we have in place now.

      Again, that’s my rubric, and I’m sure other people have their own.

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The great irony there is that the Tankies love anarchists. They want the west to burn themselves down.

    It’s honestly hard for me to believe there are more than a handful real Anarchists on the fediverse and not just a bunch of masquerading Tankies, because at the end of the day Anarchy will just bring any currently existing state one step closer to an Authoritarian taking complete control.

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    • acid_falcon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re a fucking dumbass who is confusing dumb ass libertarians with actual anarchists.

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Banjo is always good for a laugh though

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        If you want to prove me wrong then start a poll. My money is that Anarchists at the polls are just “both sides” centrists.

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  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sure, I’d just only heard lib as an insult by them before.

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