Comment on I hate when a PC game is ONLY available on Epic Games store

chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Renacles@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Exclusivity deals are not exactly a better alternative

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  • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Otherwise why would anyone use software they aren’t used to? Steam is really good, they’ve been putting massive resources into making it better for many years, and it has all the network effects.

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    • Renacles@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Epic has a lot of money, they should find a way to offer a better service in some ways like Gog does.

      Exclusivity deals are anti-consumer.

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    • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So we’re using a bad mechanics (exclusivity deals) to make people use an inferior product (Epic vs Steam), but “It’s totally going to be better for you in the fuuutuuure bro, trust me!”.

      I’m sorry, but can we make it sound any more like a scam? It’s not quite there yet. Can you add something with crypto or AI or an MLM?

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Steam is really good, they’ve been putting massive resources into making it better for many years

      Damn, imagine how good Epic could be if instead of buying exclusives it spent that money on improving itself?

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• scbasteve7@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  GoG has been a competitor for as long as I can remember. It’s not exactly a fair comparison because they don’t have a client or launcher. But you can buy a ton of games off GoG. Itch.io exists, however it’s a bit niche. Origin, humble bundle, Microsoft store. You can use all of these and get the majority of the games steam offers. Why don’t people? Because steam is just better. Steam has competition. It has a ton. People don’t feel that way cause EVERYONE who games on PC buys from steam. But it’s not because steam has a monopoly, it’s because steam offers more than their competitors, and does it better.

  I don’t like monopolies. I agree with you. However, a monopoly existing because they are snuffing out the competition and forcing it to be the only option for consumers is different than a monopoly that exists because consumers choose it over and over again because of their pro consumer policies.

  Now because this makes it seem like I’m saying “steam is the best”, there’s a good bit of stuff steam has done that I don’t like. But they understand what the gaming scene is and not just see the consumers as cash cows.

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  • Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Gog does now have a launcher, but you can still download the offline installer files for games.

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    • scbasteve7@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I edited that part out because as soon as I posted i did a quick fact check. Im just leaving this comment so people don’t think you’re crazy. You were just really fast to comment.

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  • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why don’t people? Because steam is just better

    I am skeptical that this is the main reason. I think people don’t like the idea of having their games library split across multiple services, and don’t like using/learning software they aren’t familiar with, or that other people aren’t using.

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    • scbasteve7@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a possibility. You could also make a point that it’s cultural at this point to use steam if you PC game. The exact reason steam is used is split across many different points. However, I stand by my statement. If games like league, valorant, osrs, or anything from blizzard can exist strongly in the pc scene, I think it heavily refutes your points. For those people at least. These are all games that don’t use (or for some are mainly used by) the steam client.

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      • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        hm that is a good point

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• pyre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  funny you never hear about games being ONLY on steam. it has nice features but riding so hard for a gigantic monopoly is going to bite our asses real bad when gaben retires. nothing lasts forever, and we don’t know who or what will replace the current structure at valve.

  not to mention valve has had its share of anti consumer and predatory practices. most of the concessions have been in response to legal threats.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    going to bite our asses real bad when gaben retires.

    Blizzard was a good company when they released StarCraft, so I purchased StarCraft. Blizzard is a shit company now so I do not purchase or play their games now.

    If Steam becomes a shit company in the future I’ll stop using it. I don’t understand the argument of "you should purchase for a shitty company now instead of a good one, because if you purchase from the good one it might one day become a shitty one.

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      except you didn’t buy all your games from blizzard. we’re talking about having your entire library depend on one company.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If Steam blocks my access to my legally purchased games or I refuse to run the Steam launcher there is no moral or ethical issue with me pirating my library.

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• Don_alForno@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They don’t. Buy on gog.

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• dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Are you also glad when one grocery store has apples but no pears and the other one has pears but no apples?

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• RxBrad@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Look at all those downvotes from people who took offense to this comment, and WANT Steam to have a monopoly.

  Yes, corporations bad. But don’t forget: Steam is a corporation, too.

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  • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    yeah but the thing is, Steam isn’t even trying to be a monopoly, all of Steam’s competitors just seem to have a hobby of shooting their own foot, repeatedly. Steam is trying to make the gaming experience easier and more fun, and excelling at it!

    unlike some other platforms, Steam doesn’t do exclusive deals, literally the only Steam exclusives are Valve’s own games, everything else is up to be decided by devs

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    • RxBrad@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Steam itself seemingly isn’t trying to have a monopoly.

      But damned if there isn’t a massive, very-loud Internet contingent that desperately wants them to have that monopoly.

      If your immediate trigger reaction is seething anger when someone says, “I got a good deal on a game from Epic”… maybe that’s not healthy. The “Lord Gaben” meme isn’t meant to be taken 100% literally.

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      • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i don’t get angry at things that don’t affect me lol

        i do worry for steam’s future, it’s only this good because “Lord Gaben” has made many great decisions, it may not be a democracy but a good “dictator” is often more effective than a democracy. But what happens if/when Steam goes to shit for whatever reason? the internet will implode

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    • indog@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’re in a class action lawsuit now over price fixing. They’re kicking games off Steam if their publishers offer games at lower prices on cheaper stores. They’re trying to be a monopoly.

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      • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        … That’s not price fixing.

        Do companies that don’t use steam offer comensuratelty lower prices?

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• Jyek@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But steam isn’t trying to be monopoly. They don’t pay developers to only sell on their platform. Games that are only on steam are only on steam because steam is the only place that developer wants to sell the game.

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  • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Steam isn’t trying to be a monopoly because they already are one. They’re now trying to keep that monopoly.

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• JayDee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Federated marketplace protocol really should happen at some point.

  Like, it seems like a very clear solution to an online monopoly risk. Maybe I’m wrong, though.

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  • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Main problem I see is payments

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    • JayDee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Each server would likely have to utilize a payment service. In that fashion it’d be no different than how stores host their own websites you can order from. In my mind, the federated protocol would simply be a means for a person to browse stores similar to how one can navigate a mall or market.

      For games, the further benefit after would be that via a client of the protocol, you could then download your games from the various stores in a singular library page.

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      • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Each server would likely have to utilize a payment service.

        Yeah but that would mean each server has to take custody of funds, have their own individual contractual agreements with game companies, handle refunds, bear all the legal and tax burdens of this, and get people to trust they won’t scam them. It’s just too much of a burden, these are all things that benefit heavily from centralization and economies of scale, due to the legalistic nature of payments. You would end up with one dominant instance and unused federation, if there was even anyone willing to deal with all that stuff to begin with.

        I feel like you could solve this stuff pretty well with crypto, having payment go directly to the game devs, and a no refund policy or something to simplify things, but crypto is too hated so that wouldn’t work right now.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It also sounds like a cheater’s paradise.

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      • JayDee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What do you mean by ‘cheater’? Like ‘scammer’?

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  • aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Surely we’ve learned by now that decentralization and markets don’t mix well

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    • JayDee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m not following.

      Markets were originally decentralized, and while that has its problems, a decentralized market is miles better than a monopolized market.

      Like, are you thinking of Etsy or Amazon or something? Because those are all run by a single point-of-sales and logistics collectives.

      What we’re talking about is basically building a means for getting all the websites around the web of small shops and such (or in this case all the various game store fronts like steam, itch.io, GOG, and EPIC GAMES) and giving you client which allows you to browse and order from them simultaneously. All that store’d have to do is add the protocol to their server and add themselves to a list.

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      • aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh I thought you meant decentralized currency. What you’re this is just standardized apis though, the vendors don’t need to talk to each other (federate) for it. unless i’m missing something

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• SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I do, and then they get nationalized, as all natural monopolies should.

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  • Netrunner@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Good luck with whatever crack pipe you’re smoking

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