This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though.
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OscarRobin@lemmy.world 1 year agoSteve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.
porkins@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Didn’t Musk start SpaceX? That’s, at least, one thing. Too bad he can’t stick to it.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
No, he bought it from others and made them sign a contract letting him claim he’s the owner.
s_s@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Start? Nope.
stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 1 year ago
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SternburgExport@feddit.de 1 year ago
Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.
Restaldt@lemm.ee 1 year ago
So elon but a good businessman
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Jesus I’m no Elon fan but how many companies do you have to take from a couple million to hundreds of billions before you’re good at your job?
What is it with modern society and the need to reduce everything about a person just because they’re a POS? He might be evil but he’s clearly pretty good at being a businessman or you wouldn’t even know his name.
Korne127@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But… he literally isn’t. Like just look at twitter, he has ruined it from day one with bad decisions day after day whose impacts haven’t shown directly, but now appear more and more with embarrassing effects (The verification badge which is now worthless and has been used to impersonate people and cooperations, the two factor authentification which stopped working, the self-DDOSing, the maximum amounts of tweets one could view per day, the old tweets that got deleted due to a glitch, etc.)
And in other companies it’s mostly other people managing the stuff and cleaning up the mess he leaves; especially SpaceX is currently just glad that he isn’t too busy with his X playtoy to bother them.
The only thing you may call him somewhat successful in is making out companies that have a potential so he could get into them early and claim their success.
RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Being a succsessful businessman does not make one a good businessman. Half of the equation is ethics, because it fucking matters.
A successful businessman with bad ethics and an unsuccsessful one with good ethics are both bad businessmen.
The only good businessman is one who both succeeds and has good ethics.
jj4211@lemmy.world 1 year ago
While he has had some success, he’s also demonstrably been a glory hog benefiting from crazy good luck.
He had an Internet company during the first dot com boom. He got a bunch of cash from Compaq for effectively nothing, because businesses had to snap up anything vaguely Internet. Right place at right time, basically won a lottery.
So then he founded an Internet bank. But want allowed to lead it, no matter, either way it was overshadowed by PayPal, which was a runaway success. Somehow he managed a merger with him being put in charge of the joint company. Then he almost tanked it and was put aside to salvage the company. However, he managed to be popularly thought of as “the PayPal guy”
He founded SpaceX. Off the top of my head, that one seems fair enough.
Then you have Tesla, which existed prior to him Knowing about it, yet he still insisted on being called a founder. It’s possible that without him, Tesla wouldn’t have gone far, but either way, he’s been a glory hog about it to the point of again getting himself framed as “the” Tesla guy.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
without the good, or the (hu)man(ity)
herrvogel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s no version of this reality where Jobs isn’t a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they’ve somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can’t deny that Jobs played a big part in that.
hackitfast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, Steve Jobs was definitely an asshole, and he didn’t personally design any of his products, but he did know what direction to move things in and what consumers wanted in a phone. He was the first to put a truly usable portable touchscreen computer into our pockets with a phone in it, and every phone nowadays is basically just a reimagined, upgraded version of the first iPhone. The way we communicate is forever changed because of the iPhone.
But yeah iPhone’s are kind of the pinnacle of “how much can we fuck you over before you notice” now. All because of the little Apple on the back of the phone.
general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
There is a story that the concept of touchscreen phones was stolen from a Nokia engineer who tried to get nokia to produce them but the feature was dismissed as a ‘gimmick’.
Comment105@lemm.ee 1 year ago
He didn’t know what customers wanted in a phone.
He knew what customers would want in a phone when they were taught about its existence.
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn’t make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously.
Chocrates@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I’d be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though.