Comment on Steve Jobs: The difference of stealing yourself vs being stolen from

DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• OscarRobin@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.

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  • SternburgExport@feddit.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.

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    • Restaldt@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So elon but a good businessman

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      • c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Jesus I’m no Elon fan but how many companies do you have to take from a couple million to hundreds of billions before you’re good at your job?

        What is it with modern society and the need to reduce everything about a person just because they’re a POS? He might be evil but he’s clearly pretty good at being a businessman or you wouldn’t even know his name.

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      • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        without the good, or the (hu)man(ity)

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      • hackitfast@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, Steve Jobs was definitely an asshole, and he didn’t personally design any of his products, but he did know what direction to move things in and what consumers wanted in a phone. He was the first to put a truly usable portable touchscreen computer into our pockets with a phone in it, and every phone nowadays is basically just a reimagined, upgraded version of the first iPhone. The way we communicate is forever changed because of the iPhone.

        But yeah iPhone’s are kind of the pinnacle of “how much can we fuck you over before you notice” now. All because of the little Apple on the back of the phone.

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    • jarfil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn’t make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously.

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    • Chocrates@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I’d be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though.

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  • porkins@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though.

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  • jarfil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Didn’t Musk start SpaceX? That’s, at least, one thing. Too bad he can’t stick to it.

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    • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, he bought it from others and made them sign a contract letting him claim he’s the owner.

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    • s_s@lemmy.one ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Start? Nope.

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  • stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tru

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• Korne127@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.

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  • ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.

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    • Korne127@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.

      I just gave you some pretty major differences. To me, most things that defines Musk as the horrible person he is aren’t true for Jobs. Again: The extremist position, transphobia, the fact that he bought into his companies and didn’t actually invent these things and made these breakthroughs by himself (which is just not true for Jobs, even if you have reasons to not like him), that he just got his money by his father’s mine and hasn’t made such successes by himself, etc. All of that doesn’t apply to Jobs.

      Those things you mention are just… cases of him doing awful stuff; most of them not even related to Musk in any way. But if “he did awful stuff” is enough to set him on the same layer as Musk, then he is also “the same person” as a good share of all people living.

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  • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros.

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    • Korne127@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t necessarily agree with that, but I get this point (in contrast to how you phrased it before), so fair I guess.

      But just one thing:

      is revered by techbros I actually don’t know any people who revere Musk. I know this is dependent on the bubble, but at least with Jobs being generally seen pretty favourable and Musk seen extremely unfavourable by most people, I think there’s a big difference.

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• mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  did he ever reconcile with his kid? hard to imagine just ignoring your own child like that…

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  • nuxetcrux@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Who, Elon or Steve? /s

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• SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was

  Oh he died soon enough.

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• marmo7ade@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was

  He cut the line for organ donation. People did get to see how he was, and they didn’t care.

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