Comment on I wish there were more like him in the industry

Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Ipodjockey@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hmmmm you got some primary sources for those claims? Not saying you are wrong. It’s just the first time I’ve heard this.

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  • sundray@lemmus.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I had a brief look around and these accusations seem to originally come up in a leaked script for an episode of the Duexmoi gossip podcast. Some of the responses to the accusations can be found in this Vulture article, but there’s not a lot in it. As they state, “everybody involved in The Witcher is […] playing nice on the record.” So… *shrug*. Very disappointing if true, but no one’s confirming anything…

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  • Coasting0942@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He’s missing the “controversy” section on his Wikipedia. Which is my litmus test of how big are your red flags

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    • nehal3m@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Huh? So a lack of mention of controversy with sources to back it up is a red flag to you? Weird.

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      • __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No, you’re reading that backwards somehow. A lack of controversy section shows that there are no good sources and the red flags are not that big.

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      • Pistcow@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, that Gene Wilder is an asshole because he doesn’t have “controversy” in his wiki.

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  • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d seen this all multiple places before but doing a quick search here is a source on the most recent round of Netflix and superman stuff

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    Personally I think a lot of this is overblown. Specifically the not wanting shirtless scenes and stuff is a personal thing that’s up to the comfort of the actor. The bits I don’t like are harassing women and his previous comments about the MeToo movement which make me far more likely to believe the current accusations against him.

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    • exanime@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      posting the same link over and over doesn’t really help your case bud

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      • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I replied to each comment that asked for a source with a source. Seemed like the best way to make sure everyone that wanted to be notified got notified.

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• MolochAlter@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  who eventually got fired for sexual harassment stuff

  Unless the source you linked goes in more detail (tl;dr) the screenshot you posted of the quote says HR complaints.

  You can get complaints for all sorts of things, such as being uncooperative and that being read as disrespectful to a superior or a colleague, for instance, or going behind a superior’s or colleague’s back, which sounds like exactly what was going on.

  If that’s what the main source also says, then don’t contribute to blowing shit out of proportion.

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  • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The blown out of proportion was referring to him not wanting to be sexualized. I don’t think it should be held against an actor that they won’t want to always be shirtless. That’s fine and I respect him for it.

    The problem is everything else.

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    • MolochAlter@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I know, I was pointing out your hypocrisy and selective criticism.

      You still have not acknowledged you hallucinated or lied about the “sexual” part of the accusations.

      Nowhere in your sources does it mention the writer receiving sexual harassment claims, he was the subject of HR complaints, which if you worked in corporate environments you’d know are both extremely easy to weaponize and don’t necessarily have anything sexual about them.

      Calling a colleague a dipshit or incompetent in a public setting would be cause for an HR complaint and neither is even remotely sexual.

      Thoughts, or will you keep ignoring that?

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      • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t see hypocrisy in thinking that it’s okay for someone not to want to be treated like a sex object while also not liking when that same person treats others differently based on their gender.

        These are unrelated criticisms and can stand alone. I think it is a good thing when actors have a say in how they are presented on screen, especially in a sex sense, and that’s why intimacy coordinators are a thing and should be more widely used.

        As for the second one, you’re right. I misremembered a thing I read 2 years ago about someone who isn’t the main point of what I read. There isn’t much more to it. I’m not perfect, as has been clearly shown throughout this whole conversation. It felt like the lesser of the things brought up since it was a genuine misremembering of what was written and had very little to do with what I was saying.

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• illi@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve seen some accusations, which other (also female) members of cast/crew pretty much disprove. So I will echo others - source?

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  • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d seen this all multiple places before but doing a quick search here is a source on the most recent round of Netflix and superman stuff

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    Personally I think a lot of this is overblown. Specifically the not wanting shirtless scenes and stuff is a personal thing that’s up to the comfort of the actor. The bits I don’t like are harassing women and his previous comments about the MeToo movement which make me far more likely to believe the current accusations against him.

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    • illi@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ah, yes. The “toxic gamer” accusations. Yeah. To me that reads like he was not happy with how they handled source material and did his best to fight it (which yeah, not his place to do that, but as someone who also loves Witcher I can relate). And then they tried to spin it as being mysoginyst (they tried so hard to spin itin any way so that he ends up looking bad back then). Also source of the articlebeing Reddit doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence.

      After these accusations I remember other articles with fellow female cast members at the least saying things about hin as a person that are in complete oposition to the accusations.

      Not saying he is a saint, I don’t idolize him. But it’s hard for me to believe those accusations.

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      • exanime@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        which yeah, not his place to do that, but as someone who also loves Witcher I can relate

        Why wouldn’t it be his place to argue for more respect for the source material? or simply a better script?! It is his face in there, instead of an awesome show, we got, well… whatever the hell that was and his face is attached to it forever.

        I have no idea about show business but if I sign up to play Dracula and now they tell me the script calls for a Dracula that has no powers and instead is only a genetically diseased person with hardcore anemia, I would probably fight the script as well

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      • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Most things I saw of him being a great cast member were earlier in his career and this seems to be a very recent thing to happen. I don’t think he’s always been bad in any respect but people do change overtime and America has been increasingly radicalized recently. I’m not surprised that this has happened and it could happen to anyone.

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    • psmgx@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You call it overblown and disapprove… But then keep posting the questionable source.

      This is how you get bots to pick up links, and how you start rumors.

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      • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think them being upset about an actor being uncomfortable always being sexualized is overblown.

        I think the parts about him harassing women are fine.

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• MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s the first I’ve heard of that. Don’t think he was fired from DCU, Gunn just wanted a fresh start is what I heard.

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• exanime@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It got so bad he was fired from the Witcher AND the DCU movies.

  Not sure what happened there but this is plain false… he left the witcher after at least 2 years of complaining the writers were throwing away the source material (the reason he signed on for) to actually go to back to DC since they expected the Black Adam movie to reboot the DCU. When Black Adam bombed spectacularly, any future DCU plans got tossed.

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The show was a different story from the books and game, what source material were they supposed to follow? Tell the same story again? That was not what they proposed or were greenlit for?

    He was canned from two different places for refusing to understand they are telling different stories that can’t be identical to the source material. How else do you deal with someone like that? Especially when he started dragging fans into harassing the show runners.

    People defend him, since they don’t understand what was going on, but he’s louder and more famous, so he gets his way, until he doesn’t. Maybe the fact his has happened more than once should give people pause…?

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    • kurap1ka@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Huh? I only watched until season 2 but so far the story was from the books. Just skipping some stuff and remixing it badly.

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Uhh what? The skeleton is the same, but it’s an entirely different story, nothings the same, which is what upset cavil since he wanted a retelling of the books.

        What in specific can you pinpoint that’s the same between the show and books? It only started to somewhat resemble the books in further seasons because of the shit Cavill pulled.

        Why the obvious lie?

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    • exanime@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The show was a different story from the books and game, what source material were they supposed to follow?

      You said it yourself, the story from the books and game

      Tell the same story again?

      This is called an adapted script

      That was not what they proposed or were greenlit for? And he signed on for THAT

      Please provide source for either of these claims. Contracts are often signed when there isn’t even a complete team, let along an adapted script ready

      How else do you deal with someone like that? Especially when he started dragging fans into harassing the show runners.

      Yeah, what a monster, trying to give fans what they want to watch instead of the majestic crap they produced which was universally hated by those who knew the franchise from before

      And by the way, I’m not aware of what other instance you talk about

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They did, they used the skeleton to tell a different story, but cavil didn’t like it wasn’t a 1:1 retelling, yet no one wants to discuss how the games weren’t either. Yet he was arguing for content from both…?

        Dude didn’t even know the lore himself, and was forcing the showrunners to do a story they never intended.

        Maybe read some article about this, this isn’t new information, but sure, claim ignorance I guess.

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• Pistcow@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Source?

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  • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d seen this all multiple places before but doing a quick search here is a source on the most recent round of Netflix and superman stuff

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    Personally I think a lot of this is overblown. Specifically the not wanting shirtless scenes and stuff is a personal thing that’s up to the comfort of the actor. The bits I don’t like are harassing women and his previous comments about the MeToo movement which make me far more likely to believe the current accusations against him.

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    • exanime@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      LOL this is the fourth “I have seen it in multiple places” yet keep posting the same sketchy source over and over…

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      • MolochAlter@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And now you’ve seen it (that same one anonymous unsubstantiated source) in multiple places too!

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      • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Replying to everyone who asked with a source with the source was the best way to make sure everyone who wanted to be notified was notified. Not everyone is going to return to the original comment to look for an edit.

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    • Pistcow@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      K. First time seeing this site and the media bias is more like bullshit clickbait. Dude is passionate about source material and willing to walk when they make that bullshit season 3.

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      • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Admittedly I did not do a lot of digging for the best source and instead just skimmed and saw it summarizing the stuff I’d heard before. The original information comes from a podcast but instead of sourcing the podcast, the article decided to source a reddit thread which was just a transcript of the podcast… Bad journalism and I should’ve found a better source to site here. Either way, the original transcript is shown in the article.

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  • NormalPerson@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Their bias and a wildly suspicious source that’s pretty much the podcast my best friend once removed’s half-sister’s uncle listens to

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    • Pistcow@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m just sayin’ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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• Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Were the only people disrespecting the source material those same women?

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  • illi@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Article they list as a source certainly suggests that.

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• qaz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why would you link to an article that just discusses things said on Reddit?

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  • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Honestly I’m not sure why it brings up reddit at all since the reddit thread it’s sourcing is just a link to the podcast that started it all. They should’ve just linked to the podcast?? Idk bad sourcing on the articles end.

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    • Halosheep@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Seems like everyone agrees that Netflix and the writers behind the show weren’t following the source material very well and were making a lot of bad decisions in terms of show direction.

      Cavill is known to want to keep things close to the source material. It seems implied that the “showrunner” and writers were against that attitude, so when he started pushing back, he gets called a misogynist and g*mer for trying redirect the show.

      Sounds to me like film industry bullshit and trying to redirect the narrative from someone wanting the show to stay accurate to him being misogynistic simply because he was contradicting a woman.

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• otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You’re so full of shit, it’s actually impressive.

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• sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Didn’t he go straight from Witcher to Justice League to Mission Impossible?

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  • Maven@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It was actually DC -> MI -> Witcher technically.

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• SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not to mention the show was supposed to be a different story from the books AND game which are vastly different already (which no one seems to comprehend when talking about this topic) he got fans and everyone else to capitulate to his demands that it meet source material. How is a unique story supposed to meet source material…?

  The guy is delusional and it’s cost him roles, yet his rabid fanbase defends him relentlessly since they refuse to educate themselves on anything he spews.

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  • kurap1ka@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How was it a unique story, when everything happens in the books? The head writer and producers just tried, and failed, to be better than the original by adding useless confusion and killing important characters. The games are different in that they play after the books and extend the world.

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    • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I asked you in another comment and you ignored me, but what’s the same between the books and show? The skeleton is the same, but most characters, events and places are different.

      Why the obvious lie? You just expecting sympathy from other people who haven’t read the source materials and assume they all tell the same thing? When the don’t.

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      • kurap1ka@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I didn’t ignore you I just don’t spend all time in the app. I got no commitment to reply in any predefined timeframe. As I said I stopped watching in season 2. Up to that point everything is the same. Except the story of ciri and the forest is moved to a later point, I believe in the books it’s before the fall of cintra. It is not a different story just because you change outfits.

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• Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Careful, the fanboys don’t like that sorta talk

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