Comment on Daily Discussion Thread: 🌃🏙️ Friday, August 9, 2024

• just_kitten@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Words change meaning over time, this is one of them

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  • Seagoon_@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s a very American argument. Americans, who use Simplified English, used dictionaries as a political tool in the war of independence and still do

    They developed a descriptive dictionary so they can say their usage is just as valid 🙄

    but the rest of the world, who use Traditional English, use prescriptive dictionaries so we can have agreed upon meanings and usage.

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    • StudChud@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can promise you that words changing meaning over time is not an “American Argument”. Nothing to say what you mean by “American” (us, Canada, Argentina?) .

      Language has changed all the time, via slang from the poorest, or the slang of the royals and powerful people throughout history.

      We don’t say *dyeu anymore, to refer to the sun-god of proto-indo-european times; we say “Zeus”, “deity”, “deva” or “Jupiter” (all come from *dyeu).

      So I don’t think the Americans had any say in that. Language and the evolution of language has happened endless times throughout history.

      Example from Language Jones

      youtu.be/BFgg-Gy0E2g?si=g4rNnyX7eu1DJx60

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    • Force_majeure123@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dumpling is a Chinese word though so I don’t understand your argument

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  • AJSadauskas@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So what about Chinese dumplings then?

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    • Force_majeure123@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nothing changed about them, they are still in the dumpling family

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      • Seagoon_@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think it’s a modern problem. Bao have traditionally been eaten in soup/stew but a restaurant in Shanghai started calling steamed buns dumplings.

        Bao means bag , it’s a reference to filling, but dumpling is a reference to how it’s cooked.

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  • StudChud@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s the joy of language and language evolution imo. Anyone ever heard of the great vowel shift haha

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    • Thornburywitch@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes. The stuff of dinner table conversation in the family. My mum did her masters degree on Old English and Old Norse. Dad spoke fluent cockney, english and lowland scots depending on context. Tell me about it.

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      • Catfish@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Naw. Wish I could invite your Dad to dinner.

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    • Seagoon_@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Keep talking. I’m learning.

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      • StudChud@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Between 1400 and 1700, English went through a major vowel shift that changed the way words were pronounced. The pronunciation of Middle English long vowels changed into how we pronounce them today/has affected English worldwide, and well as consotant changes (silent letters come from this, knife used have the k pronounced, and this can actually still be heard in German as well. Kneipe, for eg, is pronounced with the k).

        Example, in Middle English the word “house” was pronounced hu:s “hoos”. With the Great Vowel Shift it changed to haʊs “howse”.

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• MeanElevator@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are hot dogs sandwiches then?

  I always thought of dumplings as either dough balls, or dough balls stuffed with other things.

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  • RustyRaven@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If served on a split long roll it is a hot dog. If you cut the roll horizontally it becomes a sub. Serve three cocktail frankfurts crosswise on a round roll and it is a burger. Sliced and served between two slices of bread it the only way it becomes a sandwich. Unless you then toast it and transform it into a toastie, or toast it in a special press and turn it into a jaffle. All completely different meals.

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  • stepchook@mastodon.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @MeanElevator @Seagoon_
    Bread crumbs wrapped in bread crumbs.
    A hot dog is basically meat flavoured bread.

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• Force_majeure123@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Pierogis are also in the dumpling family.

  Tortellini is dumpling

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