Comment on 103°F in Los Angeles all week
YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 2 days ago
Blaming older generations instead of the powerful and wealthy is dumb and counterproductive.
Generational warfare is a way to obscure class war, and a way to disconnect people from being inspired by the HISTORY of class warfare.
The 8 hour day? Unions? The wellfare system (such as it is), maybe Grandma was on the picket lines for some of that too.
I’m not enjoying being in the first generation to be poorer than my parents’. This is not a distraction; it’s a big fucking deal.
My parents, personally, have not really contributed to the problem. They vote sensibly, they have been climate conscious (especially my dad) for wayy longer than most people. But those are individual stories amongst the overall picture.
On the wider point, being on the picket lines fighting for workers’ rights doesn’t have much bearing on whether you then voted to take money out of the public services your parents created, which you benefited from, so that you could enrich yourself personally.
I think you might have a slight fuzziness in your history here, too. The labour movement, at least in my country, reached its peak in the first decades of the 20th century. Boomers were born around the 50s, reaching adulthood around the 70s. We already had a minimum wage, 8 hour days, weekends, paid holiday, sick leave, etcetera. We already had a welfare system. Around this time, the “post-war economic consensus” was being dismantled, and public services were being sold off to private investors. If we’re just looking at the resolution of generations, the prototypical grandma wasn’t doing the things you’re talking about - they were done by her mother or grandma or others.
Again, this is a broad brush with room for variation within generations. But there’s a section of the online left that wants to remove all responsibility for anything, especially climate change, from ordinary people. As if we can but do the bidding of billionaires. But if a population votes for climate change, or votes to dismantle public services, they deserve the blame.
somebody voted GOP to have Trump in charge and paying companies to NOT block wind farms, somebody keeps buying giant trucks and voting to rip up bike lanes etc
So no young people voted for Trump?
Environmentalists from the prior generations aren’t real. Nobody has ever done anything about climate change ever before and they’re not doing anything now and they never will.
That’s why the best way to fight climate change is to divide into generational cohorts and scream “Your Fault!” at everyone older.
Also, those priir movements did nothing to pave the way for todays established organizations.
Ya, my grandma never had a private jet or a megayacht. Not sure how her 300sq ft bungalow she lived in for 40 years and tending a community garden plot led to the environmental and socioeconomical issues we face now.
But they did elect the politicians who caused the damage. A majority, anyway.
And Americans did elect trump who is ruining the world. The majority of people are voting with their money day by day to make billionaires more rich, and our only home more and more unhabitable even now. Nothing new, same old shit, same patterns.
Trump didn’t just suddenly get to where he was. He’s the result of over 50 years worth of Republicans fucking the country.
They voted for it.
No they fucking didn’t. Fascists voted for it, not age.
It’s hilarious that people blame boomers and nepotism for the problems of the world without seeing the contradiction.
Ok, I will blame you then, yta4qcam2a9j7EfTgHrh
One_Honest_Dude@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The older generation ceded our power to the wealthy. They went gleefully along with tax policy designed to move money to the top, anti union legislation, increasing costs of education, stymieing environmental regulation, not pursuing and enforcing trust busting measures, offshoring industry, etc , etc. They weren’t the driving force, you could claim they were tricked, but it was their own short sighted greed and often bigotry that allowed them to go along with it. And they by and large continue to support all that same shit.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app 2 days ago
It’s the continued support and denial instead of contrition that makes this meme fine for me. Don’t want to be targeted? Make it right.
DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 day ago
And Gen-Z helped elect Trump in 2024.
Saying that problems are because if a certain group of people is just dumb analysis. It is always about broader systems of power. Capitalism has it’s ways to bend democracy to it’s will.
The ruling class wants you to blame the elderly for the problems in the world. Because then you aren’t focused on the real issues.
If we really wanna fix problems instead of fighting each other, we need to really stop bigotry in all it’s forms and start becoming class conscious.
toohotforsoup@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So the real issue here arent the thoughts and actions of Boomers and Gen X even though we are here because of those thoughts and actions?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Did they actually? Or are you just saying that?
The Americans who believe their democracy is real are as bad as the ones who believe climate change is fake.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Oh, okay- so you’re just cowards who spent half a century allowing it because you didn’t want to risk your relative comfort.
chunes@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Literally the same thing the next two generations are still doing?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m still not sure who this “you” is.
Rothe@piefed.social 1 day ago
So by your nonsensical logic the current young generation is at fault for ceding more power than have been ceded in a long time to fascist oligarchs in the US.
It is plain bullshit nonsense. And you have gobbled up all of the ageism propaganda created by the oligarch propagandeers to make you completely forget the actual issue of class war.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 1 day ago
Older generations also elected FDR four times and created the only social safety nets we have, created the EPA, eliminated smog, cleaned up our rivers, created the endangered species list, etc.
I’m getting really sick of how easily some of you fall for these obvious divide and conquer tactics. Wake the fuck up and actually think critically for once. Climate change is far more of a class issue than generational one.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That wasn’t boomers, that was an earlier generation.
One_Honest_Dude@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Boomers did not elect FDR, if they had continued the politics of their parents we would be much better off. There is plenty of blame to go around. The true villains are the oligarchs and politicians who do/did their bidding but that does not absolve the foot soldiers.
ZeroCool@piefed.ca 1 day ago
Please, tell me more about these people who seem to think they’re the smartest person in the room.