Idk isn’t that like saying all animal pollinated plants are not vegan?
Comment on spoopy figs
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
TIL figs aren’t vegan
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Well, this one’s got a literal animal inside of it… Is all I’m saying
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I guess it depends on if people think roadkill is vegan; the dead wasp is part of the life cycle of the wasp/fig symbiosis so its going to die well before humans intervene.
Imo the argument could be made that by clearing land for vegetables there’s a large reduction in habitable natural environments. This results in things dying that normally wouldn’t. Especially true when you consider pesticides.
So is the problem the dead bug in the fig or the dead bug outside, say, an apple?
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I’ve only been vegan for eight years. I really don’t know what I’m talking about. I’ve never really researched it. I just don’t need animal products. But it seems like eating anything that was an animal or has an animal in it isn’t vegan
Fuck goose down
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
This one doesn’t either, it’s just a ghost.
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Eating ghosts is vegan
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I’m a level five vegan. I don’t eat anything that Casts a shadow
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
They are most fruit require insect pollination, as long there is no forced labor or murder it’s still vegan
Manticore@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Depends on the vegan you’re talking to.
Wild figs may be but as soon as you’re cultivating fig varieties that require the fig wasp, you are artificially increasing the wasp population specifically to perish, in order to sustain human horticulture. Much like honey or milk, the fact you don’t eat the animal’s flesh might still defy the spirit of ‘no animal exploitation’. Most pollinators do not explicitly perish as part of pollination; figs are one of the foods vegans may disagree on.
The good news is that there are a small number of fig varieties that can be fertilised without the wasp (either by hand, or self-pollinating clones). In a lot of countries this is the variety that may be grown because importing wasps could be ecologically dangerous.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Wild figs may be but as soon as you’re cultivating fig varieties that require the fig wasp, you are artificially increasing the wasp population specifically to perish, in order to sustain human horticulture.
That’s still different to animal exploitation. Veganism are the consumption practices of people advocating for animal liberation. This is not contrary to that, “milk” and “honey” are produced by the animals for a specific reason, namely their young. Even if it were possible to obtain them without harming the animal (and there isn’t, both require animal death if they are to be produced in consumer quantities) there still is the problem of consent. It is clear that bees and cows under normal circumstances do not want to give away their milk/honey. The wasp however is already dead, it is not harmed by eating the fig and it’s consent is no longer part of the equation.
If the fig cultivation reaches a level where the wasps have to be kept under circumstances similar to the bees then yes I wouldn’t consider the figs that require these wasps to be vegan.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
So vegans could eat unemployed animals that die of natural causes?
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
scavenging is considered yucky but I don’t see any reason to consider it unethical per se unless it disrupts other animals mourning rituals
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Vegan can eat meat produced in labs.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Not completely true. There’s a tick which can make you allergic to animal cell structures, basically making you vegan. So lab grown meat would still be a no no. For me, I want to eat plant (and fungi) based products so I don’t want lab grown meat (although I would like to try it once). I think lab grown meat is amazing, because people who desperately want to eat meat can do so without feeding the fucked up meat industry. Less livestock means less chance on virus mutation, so less chance of pandemics. I think this is the most important reason to reduce global livestock.
Nangijala@feddit.dk 2 months ago
This made me think whether in order to produce lab grown meat, wouldn’t they have to use real meat as a reference point? And if yes, is it truly vegan, then? If they’re just printing meat used from one real meat source?
I know nothing about lab grown meat, but I just wondered where they get the source material to grow it.
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I agree with you, but this fruit has a literal animal inside of it
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
See my comment here lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19570004
jeffep@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Wait until you find out what fossil fuels are made of
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Mostly plant plancton.
jeffep@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah, the point is they are technically not vegan so you have a supply chain issue with everything you consume.
Nitpicky, I know, and of course vegan+fossil fuel based supply chain (as long a I can’t do anything about it) is still good
brown567@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Mostly plants and plankton?
Are zooplankton vegan?
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I’m a vegan, although not super strict. But I knew some terror vegans who do not consider vigs vegan.
The definition of “vegan” differs. Like, I don’t like products that had a nervous system. So technically I could eat oysters. But some vegans consider oranges not to be vegan because there might be an animal product in the pesticides used on oranges. Some claim they only use plant based products, but they get mad when I ask them about fungi, as their cell structure looks more like an animal cell than a plant cell.
Being vegan means you buy products which fit your idea of being vegan.
And sadly for some it means you need to be a fucking asshole to anyone you meet.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Regarding your last paragraph: that’s unrelated. There are also lots of insufferably vocal meat eaters who feel personally attacked when someone else doesn’t religiously stuff themselves with meat every meal.
42beansinapod@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
I know zero (0) vocal vegans but 3 meat eaters who make a point on hating vegans and sometimes make it sound like they eat extra meat to spite vegans.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Someone has never tried falafel…
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah, I usually don’t say anything, unless it’s unaoidable and then I usually just say I don’t eat all that much meat.
Most will leave it at that, but I’ll happily answer. I don’t really want to yuck people’s yums, and the food industry is a bit of a special interest of mine.
Advertising is one hell of a drug. Everybody running around eating bacon and butter, and beef tallow, and haven’t had a gram of fiber, getting colon cancer at forty.
Candidly, I think your vocal vegan is like your radical feminist, or social justice warrior, or diversity hire: mostly made up.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Oh, do tell.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I live in Bavaria. There are multiple politicians who don’t get tired to performatively eat sausages and try to make laws that ban calling oat milk “milk” and vegan burgers/schnitzel/… as if anyone would ever get confused by that.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
But do they realize all atoms eventually cycle through the ecosystem?
I’m sure all carbon atoms were part of animal at some point. I guess your fake vegans are just molecular vegans and not atomic vegans.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Veganism are the consumption practices of people advocating for animal liberation. It’s not just about diet but also leather jackets/zoo visits etc. It’s not like being part of an animal that imbues the individual molecules with some mystic energy that renders them off limits, it’s that 99.99% of the time that obtaining these molecules in sufficient quantities requires overstepping boundaries of consent if not outright murder/slavery.
But I would consider scavenged meat for instance vegan, I still wouldn’t because meat gives me the ick now, but I don’t see how it is contrary to animal liberation (provided it doesn’t disrupt other animals mourning rituals or something similar). Or rescued sheep still require shearing. It’s not as brutal as farmers shearing and obviously not done with the wool in mind but rather the sheep. So the sheep are typically shorn(?) sooner than enslaved sheep and not as close to the skin, making “vegan wool” quite a bit harder to work with, but I would consider socks made out of that wool vegan.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
That is one definition of vegan, and you seem to be happy living by it. But others might have other definitions. A good chunk does not even share your motivation for being vegan, there are plenty of religious practices, dietary reasons, ecological concerns… That doesn’t diminish your definition of it, but that is something to keep in mind when talking about other people.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Hahaha next time I meet one who is starting a discussion to fish (pun intended) for something to trigger on, I now have the perfect comeback 😎
“you’re just a molecular vegan, not an atomic vegan, you’re just a poser”
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I’m just saying this specific fruit has a literal animal inside of it
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
All fruits have that, if you enhance your view enough. Put any fruit under a microscope and it’s crawling with creatures.
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Where do we draw the line? Seems like it’s impossible not to eat an animal