I have never had problems with windows updates nor has it never rebooted on me. Dunno what the hate is for, at least windows works without knowing 79 different programming languages and having to scour through git repos from 2002 for drivers just to get a driver compiled for your headset (it wont compile because it requires a bingbong-SDK mainted by a guy from turkey who refuses to update it from 1.95v2 to more recent 1.99-6 which is incompatible with your dial-up modem)
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aniki@lemm.ee 2 years ago
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SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 years ago
aniki@lemm.ee 2 years ago
[deleted]SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Do you ever feel tired of having to type 55 lines of commands into the console just to open Wine to actually use your pc?
agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Not really because I just use the stuff. I only use the command line for very basic stuff, usually.
Linux is really nowhere near as hard as you’re making it out to be, 99% of the time.
Yeah, there are times when you run into edge cases that are frustrating. Although I’ve had that with windows once in awhile.
I’ve used Mint for about 10y then ran into a situation where AMD gfx card was too new for the kernel and switched to a Fedora based distro. Which is kind of outrageous to have to do that. But that’s the first time in a decade.
I try to stick to hardware that is fairly mainstream or which implements mainstream standards.
It helps a lot if you’re comfortable with bash. Otherwise if you run into issues and some website gives you a bunch of commands they look like line noise.
I mean, *nix is kind of arcane. But once you know about command format, pipes, redirects, and maybe a couple dozen commands, it gets a lot better.
I learned all this stuff back in the late 80s so it is second nature to me. But it was a learning curve back then. But then, so is powershell or dos.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 years ago
*typetypetype*
*3D printed arm connected to raspberry pi opens wine bottle on desk*
*glug-glug-glug*
Now I’m ready to use my pc
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Hilarious joke 🙄
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 years ago
Not everyone uses windows just to play solitaire Margret.
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 2 years ago
From command line it’s “sudo dnf update” for example and if you use flatpak, “flatpak update”, updates everything. Or just click update in software manager.
There are programs that are not compiled/packaged by their developers and you have to do it yourself, but so are on Windows. But for OS from Microsoft noone would mention such program, because compiling on Windows is nightmare in comparason. C for example was designed for Unix-like systems. More high-level languages have less dependency installing, but still.
Nowadays people run WSL to compile programs for Windows and that says something…
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Crazy how you say that first paragraph with zero irony. If linux was good or easily accessible it would be used. You can choose which one it’s not.
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Uh so yeah so this turns volume up by one root2 it’s really not that hard haha
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 years ago
You’re just rolling around in stupid for fun
CausticFlames@sopuli.xyz 2 years ago
As he literally says you can just click update… don’t fucking use it if you don’t want to but then don’t be like “IT SHOULD NOT EXIST CMD LINE BAD!!”
You never have to touch it on most typical distros. At all.
joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 years ago
superduperenigma@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I have never needed to use my programming knowledge to use Linux nor have I had an issue with drivers. Dunno what the hate is for, at least Linux works without changing half the values in the registry to make it tolerable or having an active internet connection (it won’t install the OS without making you create a Microsoft account so they can attach all of the information they collect on you to a profile that enables them to deliver more relevant advertisements directly to your operating system)
Arrakis@lemmy.world 2 years ago
it won’t install the OS without making you create a Microsoft account
I’m not pro-Windows by any means, but this simply isn’t true.
Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 years ago
Yea, kinda. It forces it hard though.
There is no obvious way to skip the MS account. You can select that it is a managed device and create a local user that way, but afaik that’s the last option left and obviously it is there for a very different intention.
I am sure that if MS could remove it completely they would.
superduperenigma@lemmy.world 2 years ago
You need to open a secret command prompt and type in a command. The person in replying to is apparently deathly allergic to typing out simple commands in a terminal, so he certainly wouldn’t be able to get around it.
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Huh? I haven’t got a microsoft account on my pc mate.
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 years ago
I don’t remember any version of Windows I actively use ever auto updating for me either, but that’s because I turned that shit off myself. I had a test VM reboot itself at some point, but it recovered itself perfectly so I only noticed it because the open Firefox tabs all appeared to have unloaded by themselves.
You don’t need to know any programming languages to use Linux, and if you’re a nornal computer user and buy a Mac you don’t need to compile anything either. You’re also free from Microsoft’s stupid advertising and Edge sabotage.
I’ll have you know the reason why my laptop didn’t display over a dock isn’t because of bingbong-SDK, but rather because Linux 6.1 altered a kernel API that evdi 1.14 didn’t support, hence breaking the DisplayLink driver written by Synaptic, thank you very much. But yeah, this stuff does happen occasionally and it sucks. But hey, the problem wasn’t Nvidia’s terrible software for once!
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I find it funny how you say it wasn’t bingbong-SDK and then go on to explain what actually happened, and even that could’ve been a satirical comment I would’ve written.
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 years ago
These issues are common for people running bleeding edge Linux like me, it’s just something you accept when you use code that was finished a week ago rather than wait for it to be tested for stability for months like most Windows code.
You don’t get that stuff on Debian/Ubuntu/Mint/Fedora, or course.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Meanwhile I had to reboot Windows four times today.
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Clock app’s dependencies includes isNotOdd which has a dependency called isOdd.
joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 years ago
You’re confusing linux with nodejs.
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 years ago
lol you get the joke.
Rootiest@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I work at night and Windows loves to push Windows Updates at night regardless of my normal work schedule.
Take a trip to the bathroom or just don’t move the mouse for a few minutes and Windows will reboot (fuck whatever you had running) and spent an hour or two installing an update (fuck the rest of your night)
Linux doesn’t ever try to force itself on you like that, it’s a respectable OS
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 years ago
You say that, but Discord will happily refuse to open until you download the latest .deb file from their website, and it’s one of the friendlier Electron applications in terms of in-window updating in my experience.
I had to disable my adblock to get the Teams application to show me a button I needed at some point…
One interesting thing I’ve heard from people I’ve introduced into Linux is that you need to reboot an awful lot. It has to do with automatic security updates triggering a reboot-required flag, but every other day I get a popup with “updates were installed, you should reboot”.
joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 years ago
There’s a configuration file you can edit to prevent that. The Flatpak configures this automatically for you.
mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
Linux distros usually raises a reboot required flag. But thats usually to complete some kernel or system update. Windows just go ahead and reboot on update ruining the workflow.
When you get the message to reboot ignore it and do your work. Then shutdown after doing it. Turn on when you need it the next time. And its all well
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 years ago
Ignoring the reboot doesn’t work when it’s a reboot to the Nvidia driver, as I’ve found out. The displays will work but Vulkan/OpenGL will break in confusing ways with error messages that point in the wrong direction.
I don’t really understand why more Linux don’t hot replace the kernel, Ubuntu can do it and so can a bunch of enterprise Linux variants. I assume there’s some kind of design limitation that prevents other distros from using that API.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
Linux bros really a blight on lemmy
aniki@lemm.ee 2 years ago
[deleted]Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 years ago
Tell that to all the businesses running on it.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 years ago
“DAE too many Linux posts?! BRB need to reboot windows for the 30th time today.”
That’s a strawman argument, I can’t remember the last time I had to reboot Windows, and the last few updates have only taken a few minutes. They also install on shutdown most of the time.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I use Windows on both my work and home PC. I had to reboot both twice today. I’ll probably be switching my home PC to Linux over the holiday weekend.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 years ago
Yeah, cause it seems you aren’t really capable of using Windows properly
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Well, if Windows is that difficult to use, I don’t know why you’re fighting so hard for it.
Artyom@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Plus Linux could update it in the background while the app is running. There’s no reason windows can’t do these things, and yet, it can’t.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 2 years ago
It can’t, really. What Linux will do (and Windows won’t) is delete old files and replace them with new ones while they are still in use. But this has two problems.
Windows could certainly opt for a similar solution as Linux. They just chose a stricter and more reliable model for file locking, for good or bad. For what it’s worth I personally prefer the Linux model, but that’s because I know to reboot my system after updating it. I don’t trust my dad to take that social responsibility so he needs to be forced.
socphoenix@midwest.social 2 years ago
Outside of the kennel a reboot is not necessary you just restart the app/service it’s really not rocket science.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 2 years ago
Updating a shared library requires an understanding of which services (and interactive programs) use that shared library. There’s a lot of room for mistakes. So while restarting specific services can be worth it for a high-availability server, for a desktop PC I find it easier and less error-prone to just restart the machine.