I would say gender is probably centered about around psychology, ranges mostly from sociology to biology, with a just little bit going into chemistry
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serenissi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
though the meme is cool, gender isn’t particularly a biology (or ‘advance biology’) thing. biology deals with sexes, their expressions and functionalities. gender is more of a personal and social concept but often related to sex characteristics (cis).
and yes, advanced biology tells sex determination isn’t as easy as XX or XY or even looking at genitals like a creep.
and oh, for giggles consider fungi :)
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What’s the yaxis?
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
it’s a normalized distribution. The y-axis is unitless.
Quantenteilchen@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Reason for another XKCD comic about bad graphs (or ten).
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
practical importance to gender
As perceived by me
(only the most scientific of measurements)
Randelung@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
More yes
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
purity.
as in whether it applies to the real world is entirely a symbolic construct
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Slime mold(which is not a mold or fungi) looks around nervously in it’s 13 different sexes.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I don’t entirely agree, because gender identity is known to be at least partially biological, e.g. there are correlations between transgenderism, skin elasticity, and hyper-flexibility.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
just FYI, “transgenderism” is a word to avoid
and yes, gender identity seems to be biological, and genetic.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
my bad, updated to “transgender,” I read online that’s the preferred noun form (though it looks more adjectival to me)
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I think clinically the term gender dysphoria is used, but the trans community would probably prefer trans be used as an adjective and not a noun, someone is transgender, but not “a transgender”, if that makes sense.
also, the twin studies show gender identity is genetic and heritable:
…m.wikipedia.org/…/Causes_of_gender_incongruence
The significant percentage of identical twin pairs in which both twins are trans and the virtual absence of dizygotic twins (raised in the same family at the same time) in which both were trans would provide evidence that transgender identity is significantly influenced by genetics if both sets were raised in different families.
In 2018 a review of family and twin studies found that there was “significant and consistent evidence” for gender identity being genetically heritable.
icelimit@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
What kind of fungi should I consider for the maximum giggles?
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
plenty of animals can gender swap, be hermaphrodites, or produce asexually.
joyjoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Psychology is technically a branch of advanced biology
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But it easy, we just make it complicated with social bullshit and attention craving. The fact that no one is exactly set to be perfect copies, doesnt mean anything. The fact that outliers exist, doesnt mean anything. You ask the owner of a dog if its a boy or a girl, they will tell you. And you wanna know how they know? They looked between its legs. It really is, that easy.
The kind of logic being pushed today, is basically saying that you cant class human beings as a bipedal species because 200 per million people are born with no legs. Which is dumb as fuck.
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I think things get taken too far in some contexts, but the underlying sensitivity is when you are talking to a person who considers themselves an outlier. Like telling someone with no legs that they don’t meet the definition of human and ADA is an abomination that should be repealed. Or telling someone diagnosed with conversion disorder that they can’t receive any physical accommodations, and can’t have any medical consults to check if their symptoms might have a different cause. I hope we can agree those would be insensitive positions to take.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why would I say someone with no legs wasnt human? If anything, that would be your stance. No? Im not the one excluding outliers, you all are. And then your using 0.018% of the population to justify it.
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I am confused. I thought the thread was about gender, and the reference to “social bullshit” and the statement “that outliers exist, doesnt mean anything” were statements in support of excluding transgender people from society. The 0.018% stat (rate of intersex if defined narrowly) is clearly a reference to sex, not gender. So now I am just lost.
oyfrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Adding to this: XX and XY works for mammals, but not for other vertebrates (fish, birds, reptiles, amphibians). Birds and reptiles have Z and W chromosomes, and unlike in mammals where females are homozygotes, males in these groups are homozygotes. Some reptiles have temperature dependent sex determination, where ambient temperature above some value will produce males or females (depends on species). Some reptiles are composed entirely of females.
Some fish will straight up change sexes depending on age and male-female ratio in a social group.
In other groups it’s not even different chromosomes but simply copy number of specific genes.
Plants can do all sorts of whacky things like produce seeds and pollen in the same individual.
Fungi are an entirely different cluster fuck because they have mating types which are not simple binaries.
Eukaryotic sex determination isn’t a binary and it isn’t even a nicely categorizable spectrum. It’s a grab-bag of whatever doesn’t perma-fuck your genome.
Source: me, I’m a biologist. Though admittedly I work on animals so my understanding of fungi and plant stuff is fuzzy at best.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And bee queen generate full-animal-sized flying sperm, aka drones.