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ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s not that it’s mixed shitty, it’s that they never remixed it for new releases. So it still uses the theater audio mix and range where there’s 12,000+ watts of audio power available and like 12 audio channels.

  When they actually remix it to a home release format the issues almost always go away. Even remixing for 5.1 most TVs can downmix to stereo just fine.

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  • ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Hyperrealistic acting also doesn't help. Lots of actors insist of mumbling in a way that makes it hard to understand even if in a cinema.

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    • Enkrod@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I love Tom Hardy, but dark gods he’s impossible to understand half of the time.

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      • Khrux@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        At least I expect that from him and basically all his characters. It’s most irritating when it’s a character who should have eloquence, ht doesn’t.

        Also by extension, film / TV is the ideal medium for imperfect dialogue. The medium took queues from theatre and literature in it’s inception but there is truly no other medium suited to the imperfection of real dialogue like real life.

        Mediums which demand a high critical analysis like most paintings invite the viewer to study and puzzle over the narrative, but film has it’s roots in cinema, and lowbrow cinema at that. I don’t really mean that critically, it’s my preferred medium, but nothing expects an easily digestible narrative like film and TV.

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        I don’t think it’s inherently the mediums flaw, duration and viewing time dictates a lot.

        • A good song is intended to be listened to by the same person a few times, and as such be meditated on.
        • A good painting or photograph is often displayed in a galleries or otherwise as part of some sort of exhibit that encourages reflection and analysis.
        • Traditional musical theatre can be shallow and vibes based, but in it’s structure, it’s intending to be viewed once or twice but listened to frequently.
        • Literature typically takes days, weeks, or even months to compete, which invites a degree of analysis via it’s inventment.

        Film and TV his a wired niche. Although mainstream TV also takes days, weeks of months to compete, the vast majority intentionally invites you to consume without analysis. Mainstream film fully invites the average viewer to see it once, and anything further than that is for chance or deeper fans.

        However film and modern high budget TV is mor* e venture capitalism than art, it’s just that in it’s method of consumerism, it poses as art. This gives it its own rules, and one of those rules is that comprehension is only a useful tool when it favours creating and retaining viewers/income.

        But as it’s rose to dominate all other media, there and many, many people who enjoy film and TV without any media literacy outside of it, and therefore their only touchstone is reality. That paired with the fact that we’ve largely cracked our ability for movies to direct focus via mise-en-scène, cinematography, editing sound etc, means it’s the ideal medium to not just emulate realistic performance, but focus on it and celebrate it. This often comes with unclear dialogue.

        Then the only way for deeper fans to enjoy this mediu BBm is to re-experience it By re-exploring rit. Each additional delve, albeit short - often just an episode or feature film length - gains that viewer status unlike other mediums.

        This forces realistic dialogue to be idolised by fans bove clarity, while being irrelevant to the casual viewer. At last in my opinion.

        This is a lunatic ramble, which I’m writing at 3am in my time zone after being unable to sleep. Beyond any typos, I apologize if this is entirely incoherent or just wrong and assumptive.

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  • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What about direct to streaming shows. They still have the same problem. Not saying it does not happen, but its mostly shitty mixing. Especially in American shows.

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  • Scubus@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That and that they intentionally make the commercials about 30% louder than the show

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    • Arello@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The habit of compressing commercials super loud comes from the fact that many of them also have to fit radios where it is important for the brainwash being clearly heard on weak signals too.

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    • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Commercials? What are those? Sounds like a boomer thing.

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      • Scubus@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yep, only time i watch “tv” is when im visiting relatives

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• BorgDrone@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Edit: and before people start saying “5.1 in stereo is the cause!1!!1!1”, no forcing stereo does absolutely nothing to alleviate this.

  The ‘problem’ is dynamic range. They mix movies with a large dynamic range because explosions and shit are a lot louder than spoken words. You are supposed to have your eardrums shattered during action scenes. That’s hot it’s intended to be listened to.

  Could they mix it differently? Sure, but that would mean that the people who want to watch it as intended can’t. There is also no reason to because you can simply adjust this during playback. Any half-decent A/V receiver will have an option for dynamic range compression. Just because you didn’t set up your surround sound system properly doesn’t mean the movie is badly mixed.

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  • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I don’t have a surround system…I have 2.1 stereo, and even with dynamic range compression this is an issue.

    I don’t want eardrums shattered when watching a movie, nobody wants that, it’s unpleasant and 100% unnecessary for watching at home.

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    • BorgDrone@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I don’t want eardrums shattered when watching a movie, nobody wants that, it’s unpleasant and 100% unnecessary for watching at home.

      They don’t mix for a 2.1 home setup, they mix for a (home) theater. You’re using a set-up meant to watch the news and maybe a soccer match to watch a movie and then complain that it’s a crappy experience. Yeah, no shit.

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      • redxef@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Cool, so you’re not allowed a good passable movie experience if you don’t invest a shitton of money for a home theater.

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      • TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        For the folks disagreeing with you, I think a helpful analogy might be to think of it like a recipe.

        If you try to make a fancy dish at home without the high quality equipment and ingredients the chef had, it’s not gonna turn out like the chef intended, and it’s not the chef’s fault or a bad recipe.

        It’s art meant to be enjoyed in a particular fashion, and will naturally be less enjoyable when prepared or consumed in another manner.

        There’s a valid argument to be made for remixing it for shitty speakers, since it doesn’t seem hard and would make a lot of people happy, but artists shouldn’t be obligated to bastardize their work if they don’t want to

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  • N0x0n@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Another solution would be to add a second audio stream (2.1) and let the viewer choose how to watch their movie.

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    • BorgDrone@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Do you also want to add different video streams for smaller TV’s ?

      What you want is a made-for-TV adaptation of the same story, but that wouldn’t be the same movie. Watching a movie is an experience, and you simply cannot reproduce experience that on a small TV with 2.0 audio. Even if they did a 2.0 mix, you won’t get the same sense of awe that you get when you watch it in a theater. What is even the point of watching it if you cannot make you feel that?

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      • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        They already include multiple audio streams for language selection. In fact, watching a movie in a different language than it was originally produced in doesn’t perfectly “reproduce the experience” either. Jokes get cut, names and acronyms change, and cultural references are either altered or become too foreign for the culture of the new audience to instantly recognize.

        Offering a different experience of a movie isn’t unusual. Maybe I can’t understand a Miyazaki film to the extent that he fully intended, because I don’t understand Japanese. But that doesn’t mean there’s no point in watching it.

        As well, some people don’t want to experience super loud explosions. They’re content not having that aspect of “the experience” for a variety of reasons. Some people have PTSD. Some people have irritable neighbors. Some people suffer from tinnitis and would appreciate not having the rest of the movie drowned out by a loud ringing inside their own heads.

        In many ways, a stream without such dynamic noises provides accessibility to people who wouldn’t be able to enjoy the movie otherwise. You can still enjoy a movie however you want. The rest of us just want an option.

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      • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Watching a movie is an experience, and you simply cannot reproduce experience that on a small TV with 2.0 audio.

        You heard it here guys, enjoying a movie on a normal TV or an iPad is simply wrong and you should feel bad for wanting to be able to understand the dialogue. I guess it makes sense that a BorgDrone would be intolerably inflexible and demand people conform to their unrealistic standards.

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  • hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    a/v receiver

    didnt setup your surround system

    I got a soundbar. Some look at this like a luxury. You are expecting a receiver?

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    • BorgDrone@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Sound bars are not worth the money, you can get a better setup for what you pay for a half decent one. They only exist because they have a high WAF.

      I expect an A/V receiver with at least 5 speakers and a subwoofer. With the left/right front speakers being 2 full-range floor-standing speakers.

      Ideally, you want a 7.1.4 setup.

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      • Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Okay moneybags

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      • Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You’re like the audiophile’s evil twin (I’m kidding). The audiophile insists on purism, only 2.0, and you are waaaay on the side of the spectrum.

        I have created, mixed, and mastered music. Half of doing that has been creating really cool sounds on my 2.1 monitors (which sound like shit because they’re monitors) and then spending hours trying to get that same sound on other systems. Not just Kilobuck headphones and megabuck surround sound systems, but also $15 earbuds. That is a big part of mixing, because I want as many people to enjoy my music and the music I mix for other people as possible. I am not so pretentious and arrogant that I insist that everyone who listens to this music do so on my exact speaker setup (that would be the closest to “as the artist intended”).

        I have also created pieces for multichannel audio systems. These pieces get exhibitions, and are not available for purchase as audio recordings. Because no one can recreate those exact multichannel systems the way I designed them.

        Movies, however, are frequently available past their premieres. Maybe this is greed on the part of the artist, that they sell the movies, even though they know that it is impossible to truly enjoy the movie without the very specific audio setup it was created with?

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      • hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Ideally I dont care.

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  • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Nah, most of it is mixed like shit

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If you’re playing the sound back through your TV speakers, it should compress the dynamic range by default.

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• jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  having surround sound helps, but not enough

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• Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This seems like a good use case for AI so that volume automatically fluctuates when switching between dialogue and action scenes.

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  • osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There's no need for AI, standard look-ahead normalization would be more than enough for this if it was allowed to work properly. I've not met the content that VLC's audio normalization can't fix, for example.

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    • Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Technically the standard system is also AI (and it totally would’ve been advertised as such too before the LLM-boom).

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• k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Also, not many of us live in single homes with basements that we can turn into a home theater like our parents did.

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• Joeffect@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Here’s a good video about it… youtu.be/VYJtb2YXae8

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