Comment on King forgot his crown

knight_alva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• onslaught545@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s pretty much the textbook definition of fraud. What are you talking about?

  Fraud is defined as intentional deception to deprive a victim of a legal right or to gain unlawfully from a victim.

  He intentionally deceived 35 people for material gain.

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  • knight_alva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s a poor definition because gift exchanges are strictly voluntary and non-reciprocal engagements. I’m not saying what he did was ok or even legal in other contexts. My only point is that I wouldn’t consider this fraud because the victims were not compelled to give. This isn’t a Nigerian prince scam where the victims were promised greater returns at a later date. These victims gave with the expectation of monetary loss.

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    • neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Seems to fit the official definition pretty neatly. Colloquially, I tend to agree with you, there’s a spectrum for fraud. But this still counts as fraud. It’s a fraudulent misrepresentation of the truth to convince others to part with something of value (a gift).

      The fact that it’s a gift doesn’t change that this is fraud, only the severity of fraud in a legal sense. Image

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      • Hackworth@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value

        Advertising and politics?

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      • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        1. image of text: there’s this cool alternative called text that doesn’t break the web or accessibility. linking to source & quoting text makes an altogether better web for everyone.
        2. dictionary definition: not an official, legal definition.

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      • knight_alva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Fraud in the sense that the guy is lying and profiting from it, sure. But the common / google definition of a word and the legal definition/ application of that word are two completely different things.

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    • LwL@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’re technically voluntary but also socially expected. I’m not sure about birthday gifts in particular but Japan is a country where if you go on holiday somewhere you’re expected to bring a gift for each of your coworkers, and people will think worse of you for not doing that. I’d be kind of surprised if omitting birthday gifts for your romantic partner without prior agreement is a real option.

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    • Ajen@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      By that logic, fake fundraisers and romance scams shouldn’t be illegal either.

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    • onslaught545@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      So, it’s not fraud if I tell my grandma with dementia that it’s my birthday once a week so she keeps giving me birthday checks?

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      • knight_alva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Your grandma having dementia changes the formula a bit.

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  • Zahtu@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I do Not See the fraud here. If He would have given the Girls His real Birthday, He would have still received the Same amount of Gifts. Nothing would have changed in exchanging the Gifts.

    The only Thing, which it probably helped at, was that He could plan ahead for the birthdays, avoiding a Potential meet-in of each girl, that He dated on the Same Day. The only Thing He is gullible of ist deceiving the Woman on their Relationship. Which is Not an offenes in a legal Sense. There is no punishment for 2-timing, so 35-timing should Not have either

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    • AugustWest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What’s going on with your capitalization? I spent way too much time looking for hidden messages and came away with nothing except the - entirely unrelated - hypothesis that you are German.

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      • naeap@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Not OP:
        In other languages (like German) nouns are capitalized.
        I often write mails inside Europe that way to make it easy readable and put focus on the stuff I find necessary.

        For English native speakers it’s probably really looks like hidden code ;⁠-⁠)

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      • fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Probably bad autocorrect tbh.like Futo or auto key set in multi language or something.

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s pretty much the textbook definition of fraud. What are you talking about?

    Fraud is defined as intentional deception to deprive a victim of a legal right or to gain unlawfully from a victim.

    That’s what politicians do every election. Just saying.

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    • onslaught545@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Most politicians are absolutely guilty of fraud.

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      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I’d even go so far as saying that fraud is pretty rampant in all levels of society.

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      laws don’t apply to politicians you silly

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  • RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There is no mention of any consideration (a legal term meaning he didn’t promise them anything in return) provided by the “boyfriend”.

    This would not be fraud under English common law.

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    • onslaught545@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You don’t have to promise anything in return for it to be fraud. If I start a Go Fund Me because I have cancer when I really don’t have cancer, the people donating aren’t promised anything in return. It’s still fraud.

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      • RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The cancer example is plausible, but I am not sure you would always win.

        In that case you are asking for help for a specific reason. They “get to feel good about helping solve your problem”.

        Your deception deprives them of their having done something good with their money - which is the tort.

        In OP’s instance, he was saying that he had a birthday and you are giving him a gift.

        Not the same - you can make the same argument, but it is even thinner gruel.

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Well there’s your shady gray bit right in the definition. Is it unlawful to lie about your birthday?

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  • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    deprive a victim of a legal right or to gain unlawfully from a victim

    Does either of those fill though?

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• NatakuNox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Found the guy with 35 girlfriend.

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  • knight_alva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’m down to 28 now. Apparently some of them saw this thread …

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• cRazi_man@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Look at that smile. He regrets nothing.

  Also: Daily Mail source?..this story is entirely fiction and made up, guaranteed.

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• RidderSport@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Fraud is a very complicated crime. I absolutely hate that I need to know the basic for my law degree as it fills a thousand pages of commentary literature in just one of the largest German legal commentaries because it’s just that complicated.

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  • knight_alva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    As I said in another reply, my thinking is thus:

    It’s a poor definition because gift exchanges are strictly voluntary and non-reciprocal engagements. I’m not saying what he did was ok or even legal in other contexts. My only point is that I wouldn’t consider this fraud because the victims were not compelled to give. This isn’t a Nigerian prince scam where the victims were promised greater returns at a later date. These victims gave with the expectation of monetary loss.

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    • RidderSport@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Just because these were voluntary non-reciprocal dispositions of wealth would not automatically make this not fraud in Germany at least.

      I talked with a few fellow students and their gut feeling was that this could be fraud as well. After talking a bit about the matter we had quite a few issues apart from the voluntary aspect as well.

      All dispositions in fraud are voluntary for one, otherwise this would be in the ballpark of robbery and the like (as in involuntary dispositions).

      The act of giving a gift is not necessarily irreversible as there are ways to fight the disposition on grounds of fraud for one. Which would tick one of the requirements of fraud: the disposition needs to be unlawful.

      Anyway you’re right in that there are quite a few reasons to conclude this isn’t fraud. If it is, it would be a very “heavy” case which would make this a felony in Germany.

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      • knight_alva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I’m no legal scholar by any means but I think in America this would be a civil suit not a criminal case unless the amount of money involved was tremendous.

        I won’t even try to guess how it would shake out in Japan.

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• Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This guy cheated on 35 different women for gifts and you go:

  Also, what a legend.

  I hope that’s a /s 😔

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  • usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There’s a certain threshold when you’re no longer upset, just impressed. Like if someone ate my slice of cake vs they ate the entire fridge.

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  • knight_alva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I mean the article itself is apparently satire so yeah.

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